Pale Moon forum

Posted: **2016-10-07, 19:44**

I'd like to see a list of e-mail providers that are allowed for registration on this board, because I'm having a hard time trying to switch from Yahoo which lately fails to communicate with my POP3 application.
All I have other than Yahoo is an AOL account and a Tutanota/Tutamail account. Both are blocked here. I've deleted GMail (and blocked everything Google on my machines) couple months ago due to "vanishing" outbound messages. Killed Hotmail years ago since it's M$. Most providers nowadays are asking for a phone number - really?! No, thanks! What else is there, pray tell? Should I try Yandex Mail? Nope, did that, tells me I'm spamming when I try to send a test message to my primary AOL account and can't see any captcha or whatever for confirmation.
I'm open to suggestions other than paid mail, because I'm unemployed. Thank you.

Posted: **2016-10-08, 04:10**

I highly recommend OpenMailBox.org. I've been using it for a long time now and have never had any problems or concerns with it.

Posted: **2016-10-08, 06:21**

Thank you for replying. Looked through their terms of service and there are a couple of drawbacks, especially the conditioning to access the account within six months or it'll be deleted. That's unreliable and unacceptable - I've once been without Internet connection for a year and a half and may happen again at any time. Such account would only be used for temporary, unimportant stuff. I'll keep it in mind though, thanks again.

EDIT:
Just tried to sign up a minute ago - result: Please try again later, the registrations are disabled at the moment.

Still waiting for an official response of what is and what is not allowed - I don't want to create dozens of accounts with weird providers just to see which one is accepted by this forum.

Posted: **2016-10-08, 19:50**

It's impossible to list every mail provider in the world except those that are blocked.
For (obvious) anti-abuse reasons, I'm not listing all the domains that we have blocked in public -- however they are in essence limited to disposable e-mail providers and a few known bad apples that cause spam and don't respond to abuse reports (like aol.com, mail.ru, keemail.me, iname.com).

Posted: **2016-10-08, 20:10**

Lately I found out that many not-so-well-known providers are either blocked or swamped with sign-up requests. The "reputable" ones are worth s**t (Google, Yahoo, MSN/Live). AOL is "unresponsive". Is there any usable alternative out of those "every email providers in the world"? Because I can't find one that can be free, offer POP3/IMAP access and be accepted by this forum, on top of accepting request from my country (which inbox.com rejects, as an example). This is not a rhetorical question. My main account is on AOL. What acceptable alternatives do I have, counting out Google, Yahoo, MSN? Or should I ask for paper mail instead? That may work.

Posted: **2016-10-08, 20:32**

Noticing OpenBoxMail.org was already suggested (which is a good one in my view) another alternative you might look into would be protonmail.com which is also free. Other than the free "webmail" providers (i.e. Outlook.com, Yahoo, Gmail etc) there is also VFEmail that does offer free email and multiple domain names but it's sometimes not so good for sending mail on their free Servers unfortunately, they do offer a one-time charge email account for $24.95 however. There is also mail.com but since they were bought by GMX nothing but problems for many users and they still don't to my knowledge allow the "stay logged-in option" which I don't care for at all.

Off-topic:
I recognize you from POP Peeper (PP) where I'm a global moderator, so how's PP doing for you? You last had a Yahoo issue of which the best resolution is to simply enable the OAuth2 protocol as you know.

(btw, while on the subject, because of the double-layered encryption 2-step log-in protonmail uses it will currently not work in PP, or any other Email Client for that matter, if that happens to make a difference. It is my understanding they are working on a build to address this however the release of which I have no clue.)

Posted: **2016-10-08, 20:50**

Well, apparently ProtonMail is not too keen to respond to a sign up request, at least not from Pale Moon 25.8.1 which is what I can use on this very modest system.
I can't afford paying for an e-mail account.
I've tried mail.com a few days ago when creating an account for a friend, they don't offer POP3/IMAP access and the web interface is not very intuitive. I need something that can work with POP Peeper because I have a very bad memory and forget things very easily such as web acounts and their username/password.

Off-topic:
POP Peeper is relatively OK (I'm stil on 4.2 due to recent issues with blank messages and whatnot). Sorting messages by date and sender still doesn't work correctly but I don't want to bother Jeff with this anymore.
Yahoo are going south, lots of errors despite OAuth2 being enabled and that's the main reason I want to switch providers and I'm growing too old to keep track of all these things, I wish there was one solid provider to use for everything but apparently that's not for the poor.

Posted: **2016-10-08, 21:02**

Pale Moon Rising wrote:There is also mail.com but since they were bought by GMX nothing but problems for many users and they still don't to my knowledge allow the "stay logged-in option" which I don't care for at all

That's still the case, 24 hour GMX limit, relog if you restart the browser/session, works otherwise with the current Pale Moon Tycho Beta but it's a hassle to only get access to the limited version in the Release Pale Moon version.

Posted: **2016-10-08, 21:12**

Drugwash wrote:Well, apparently ProtonMail is not too keen to respond to a sign up request, at least not from Pale Moon 25.8.1 which is what I can use on this very modest system.
I can't afford paying for an e-mail account.
I've tried mail.com a few days ago when creating an account for a friend, they don't offer POP3/IMAP access and the web interface is not very intuitive. I need something that can work with POP Peeper because I have a very bad memory and forget things very easily such as web acounts and their username/password.
Pale Moon Rising wrote:
Off-topic:
Actually you can use IMAP in PP with the mail.com provider (I use it myself) and as far as their interface is concerned I totally agree and never do use the mail.com UI on the web (as I'd mentioned they never did allow users to remain logged-in and still don't to my knowledge so that was enough to not want to use their web UI) and instead access their accounts via Email Clients (i.e. PP, WLM or Postbox Express).

Pale Moon Rising wrote:Would it be practical for you to sign up with Protonmail using the IE11 browser? (which should still work for you in your environment that is)

Off-topic:
POP Peeper is relatively OK (I'm stil on 4.2 due to recent issues with blank messages and whatnot). Sorting messages by date and sender still doesn't work correctly but I don't want to bother Jeff with this anymore.
Yahoo are going south, lots of errors despite OAuth2 being enabled and that's the main reason I want to switch providers and I'm growing too old to keep track of all these things, I wish there was one solid provider to use for everything but apparently that's not for the poor.

Pale Moon Rising wrote:
Off-topic:
As far as Yahoo and difficulties in PP with OAuth2 (if I recall correctly you use dial-up), there has been a recent v4.2.5 release of the Webmail plugin (Sep 21, 2016) for Yahoo that you could try out by going with the "Webmail" protocol to see if this might help you out.

Posted: **2016-10-08, 21:33**

The ultimately best solution is not relying on "free" e-mail services, and paying a nominal small monthly fee for a basic cheap hosting package with domain name.

Posted: **2016-10-08, 21:42**

@ Pale Moon Rising:
Man, you've been a real help, thank you so much! Indeed mail.com does work with IMAP, just set up the account in PP and seems to work for now. Let's see if this forum accepts it, because this is the real issue.
(and apparently it does, I've just switched accounts; let's see how long it'll last)

IE11 can't install on XP, which is what I'm currently using until I find a reliable machine to run a Linux that could share the 3G modem connection for the LAN (as XP is doing currently).

I'm planning on ditching Yahoo completely since I can't use Miranda IM anymore for instant messaging and there's no way to run any other compatible messenger under XP. Their mail was just a bonus. So no reason to bother with webmail in PP (always used IMAP for Yahoo anyway).

@ Moonchild:
I'm not making any money, how should I pay for something that's not vital for me? I'm building small "toys" for free (see my signature) and expecting something similar in return. I may be idealistic and overly naive but won't give up this dream of a free world just because M$ and their goons say it's not viable.

Posted: **2016-10-08, 22:10**

Drugwash wrote:I'm not making any money, how should I pay for something that's not vital for me? I'm building small "toys" for free (see my signature) and expecting something similar in return. I may be idealistic and overly naive but won't give up this dream of a free world just because M$ and their goons say it's not viable.

I was just tossing out what I think (and know) to be the solution with the least headaches. Doesn't mean it's something you can or want to do.

Posted: **2016-10-08, 22:18**

Fair enough.

Things seem to have settled for now, we'll see what future brings.
Thank you everyone for your help!

Posted: **2016-10-08, 22:41**

Off-topic:

Drugwash wrote:@ Moonchild:[/b]
I'm not making any money, how should I pay for something that's not vital for me? I'm building small "toys" for free (see my signature) and expecting something similar in return. I may be idealistic and overly naive but won't give up this dream of a free world just because M$ and their goons say it's not viable.

I'm in the same boat, no income for quite some time, no bank account now, so I only give 'free' suggestions with a clear conscience.

I'm unsure whether either/both mail.com and GMX.com have reverted to being under the GMX.de umbrella but the (GMX.com) Mail connector works fine, except for the recent, common 'bug' created by Yahoo! that insists connections from another "App" (which also includes the 'opposition', like GMX and other free mail providers) must be specifically allowed - thus 'breaking' Yahoo!'s 'security' defaults.

GMX.de does have a messenger/email popup available, too (though it's .de specific, I failed to get it working on .com).

Posted: **2016-10-09, 08:32**

Off-topic:
Today I went and checked the terms of service for both mail.com and gmx.com and found out they're almost identical (the version on mail.com being April 2016 while the other is August 2016). While mail.com presents itself as property of "1&1 Mail & Media Inc. (formerly GMX Internet Services Inc.), a corporation organized and existing under the laws of the State of Delaware located at 701 Lee Road, Suite 300, Chesterbrook, PA, U.S.A." (quote from their page), the gmx.com site says they belong to "1&1 Mail & Media GmbH, a corporation organized and existing under German law located at Brauerstr. 48, 76135 Karlsruhe, Germany" (quote from their page). Both domains seem to be hosted in Germany, at least judging by the flag displayed by Flagfox in the address bar, but I'm not actually logged into any account (got none on GMX) to check if it redirects as others do.

And now that I looked carefully through their ToS I found out that they both ask for periodical account check no longer than six months, just like OpenMailBox.org. Sounds like a conspiracy to me, not to allow people any long-term stability and confidence in services other than the "main" ones which in turn make users' lives miserable through all kinds of alleged "security" features (such as Oauth2 in Yahoo) or arbitrary decisions to block messages/attachments or direct them to Spam despite users explicitly marking them as legit (as AOL used to do to MSFN board notifications, which now dissapered completely).

Anyway, since these mail services have all gotten a similar retarded web interface and considering how unreliable they are, it's best to use a local mail application that can retrieve and store the messages without using the web interface. Aggregating all accounts under a unique interface ensures a seamless operation and a much lower memory footprint than a browser - usually packed with add-ons - with a few open tabs; on older, weaker systems that would make it (almost) impossible to run any other applications concurrently.
As mentioned above I'm using POP Peeper for all accounts that allow POP3/IMAP and except for Yahoo all others - AOL and mail.com - log in classically. But future is very uncertain nowadays so I may have to search for new e-mail providers again, soon…

P.S. Mysteriously, GMX does not want me to create an account with them. Just coming from their page where it said "Your registration could not be processed at the moment. Please try again later." Thank you very much, GMX… for nothing!

Posted: **2016-10-09, 08:43**

Off-topic:

Drugwash wrote:And now that I looked carefully through their ToS I found out that they both ask for periodical account check no longer than six months, just like OpenMailBox.org. Sounds like a conspiracy to me, not to allow people any long-term stability and confidence in services other than the "main" ones

I think you're misreading this.

Free mail services won't keep user accounts and their mail storage around for accounts that are falling into disuse. That is a normal practice for many services that store data, not just mail, because you can't be expected as a service provider for a free service to keep accounts and data indefinitely. So if you want to keep using the e-mail address, you have to make sure you actually keep using it. Logging in once every six months as a minimum is quite fair for a user to indicate that yes, they are still alive and yes, they still want to use the account.

Posted: **2016-10-09, 09:23**

Off-topic:
From their point of view it may sound fair, but from a user's point of view it does not.
Imagine you had an accident, were in hospital for months, unable to move or type or such. You come back home and your e-mail accounts have vanished, all correspondence (going back years, maybe) gone, lost track of activity on forum boards and whatnot. All this simply because those 1-2 megabytes of text were just too much for providers' petabytes-worth of servers to bear. C'mon!

As I mentioned before I've been completely disconnected with the www for a year and a half - had no possibility for a wired connection in my area and had to wait for a 3G modem provided by my provider, which took their time. After this period my AOL, GMail, Hotmail, Yahoo accounts were still there, untouched. These are also free accounts as far as I know. But they're the "big players", they can afford it.

Let me tell you another one: while volunteering for the Miranda IM project 10-12 years ago, at some point I created myself a Facebook account, for testing purposes. Used it for a few days or so and soon I forgot completely about it, until a year ago when accidentally stumbled into the login data in my password keeping application. Surprisingly, the account was still there and I could use it as if it hadn't been abandoned for ten years.

Dunno about others but I sure like a certain amount of stability in my life and that includes e-mail accounts, forum board accounts and such - except for when the services go down forever, such as when mailsurf.com suddenly dissapeared many years ago with all my notifications. Some forum boards do limit accounts' lifetime similar to these e-mail providers. What if there's no notable activity and the user has no reason to log in? Also, people may forget things that they don't need every day or so but that doesn't mean abandon. Accounts don't rot.

What would happen now if my 3G modem would break? It may take months to get a new one. No friends or neighbors around to trust my credentials with their machines, assuming they would trust me operating those machines. As such, I would just be erased from the web as if I never existed. And nobody would care or even remember.

Posted: **2016-10-09, 12:47**

Off-topic:

Drugwash wrote:@ Pale Moon Rising:
I'm planning on ditching Yahoo completely since I can't use Miranda IM anymore for instant messaging and there's no way to run any other compatible messenger under XP.

Apparently there might be another good reason to do so...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yahoo ... SKCN1241YT

Posted: **2016-10-09, 13:23**

Off-topic:
Practically I shouldn't be bothered by that info because I'm not a terrorist or anything but theoretically there is a principle that says "innocent until proven otherwise" which they completely fail to abide to.
I feel that the issue is not about "protecting our mighty country against attacks" as much as "tear people apart worldwide by any means, disrupt their communications" in the name of latin saying 'divide et impera'.
People are blind to subtle changes and they might not even wake up in their latest hour. There is a war coming against all people in the world and it's starting with cutting communication bridges between us.
The future will prove whether I'm crazy or not.

Posted: **2016-10-09, 23:14**

Considering we're waaay off-topic by now I'll be closing this thread.

If you want to continue this discussion I suggest you take it to the general discussion board where these topics are more in their place.

Pale Moon forum

E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?

Re: E-mail providers: allowed and disallowed?