General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

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soewhaty

Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by soewhaty » 2016-12-09, 16:12

Moonchild wrote:
soewhaty wrote:As to the paid part - yeah, fair enough, but then again if they get $ from advertiser, then I don't see why they should charge users
If they have ads and charge users, then they are just being greedy. On top of that, any ads displayed on the same page as your e-mail is a potential privacy hazard, so if that's the case then their security and privacy is far from "second to none".
Well, that is also what I was hinting at ... but as I said .. who knows, maybe it's not nuff $$$ for them to be on the market, or maybe u r right and it is just pure greed, which won't surprise me. Well, as I get it it is not exactly ads they serve. Here's what they say themselves:

Q: How does StartPage make money if it doesn't store or sell my personal data?
StartPage shows a limited amount of relevant sponsored results on the top and the bottom of the results page.
Each time these sponsored results are clicked upon StartPage receives a minimal fee from the advertiser.

Shadeclan

Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by Shadeclan » 2016-12-09, 19:18

half-moon wrote:The only way to have complete email privacy, is by running your own mail server.
Well, sure dude. I don't have the cash or know-how to do that. :oops: And, you know, what Moonchild said

They could be lying, of course. They do, however, provide an inordinate number of tools for securing your privacy. Most sites just tell you that they take care of it and leave it at that.
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Shadeclan

Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by Shadeclan » 2016-12-09, 19:21

Moonchild wrote: ... If they have ads and charge users, then they are just being greedy. On top of that, any ads displayed on the same page as your e-mail is a potential privacy hazard, so if that's the case then their security and privacy is far from "second to none".
They only charge for their email service. Everything else is free. And, as you know, servers cost money.

The ads they display are dependent on your current search, not your search history which they don't keep.

Shadeclan

Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by Shadeclan » 2016-12-09, 19:30

BTW, Moonchild - from the StartPage Q&A site:
Q: How can Google install a Google cookie in my browser when I never use Google?
This has nothing to do with StartPage. A Google cookie called 'PREF' can be set when you use Firefox or Chrome as your browser, regardless of whether you visit google.com or any other site ...
I assume that PaleMoon doesn't do this unless, of course, one visits Google with cookies on?

soewhaty

Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by soewhaty » 2016-12-09, 19:37

Shadeclan wrote:BTW, Moonchild - from the StartPage Q&A site:
Q: How can Google install a Google cookie in my browser when I never use Google?
This has nothing to do with StartPage. A Google cookie called 'PREF' can be set when you use Firefox or Chrome as your browser, regardless of whether you visit google.com or any other site ...
I assume that PaleMoon doesn't do this unless, of course, one visits Google with cookies on?
Well, about Chrome I knew, but FF too ... well, FF has nowadays basically become Chrome v2.0 so that's not surprising.

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Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by 0strodamus » 2016-12-10, 00:57

soewhaty wrote:Thanks for those 2, but just to ask - what is the difference? https://ixquick.com/ and https://www.startpage.com/ look pretty much the same so how are they any different?
They are now exactly the same. If you want to use the old ixquick which was different, use https://ixquick.eu.

soewhaty

Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by soewhaty » 2016-12-10, 01:01

0strodamus wrote:
soewhaty wrote:Thanks for those 2, but just to ask - what is the difference? https://ixquick.com/ and https://www.startpage.com/ look pretty much the same so how are they any different?
They are now exactly the same. If you want to use the old ixquick which was different, use https://ixquick.eu.
Well, that highly contradicts Shadeclan's opinion - viewtopic.php?f=16&t=13888&start=60#p100530

But yeah, I saw the .eu one. So how is it different then other than being older?

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Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by Moonchild » 2016-12-10, 11:22

Shadeclan wrote:
Moonchild wrote: ... If they have ads and charge users, then they are just being greedy. On top of that, any ads displayed on the same page as your e-mail is a potential privacy hazard, so if that's the case then their security and privacy is far from "second to none".
They only charge for their email service. Everything else is free. And, as you know, servers cost money.
The ads they display are dependent on your current search, not your search history which they don't keep.
I don't use their services. I (possibly incorrectly) understood that if you use the paid mail service, you'd have ads (e.g. in webmail interface).
Of course a free search has to be funded somehow ;) No problem with that! I was just talking about StartMail there.
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soewhaty

Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by soewhaty » 2016-12-10, 11:24

Moonchild wrote:I don't use their services. I (possibly incorrectly) understood that if you use the paid mail service, you'd have ads (e.g. in webmail interface).
Of course a free search has to be funded somehow ;) No problem with that! I was just talking about StartMail there.
What's your go-to privacy (if such even exists) search engine

dark_moon

Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by dark_moon » 2016-12-10, 12:21

DuckDuckGo is a nice privacy search engine

And for web service i can recommend Posteo (1€ / month) and OpenMailBox (free)

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Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by 0strodamus » 2016-12-11, 02:52

soewhaty wrote:Well, that highly contradicts Shadeclan's opinion - viewtopic.php?f=16&t=13888&start=60#p100530

But yeah, I saw the .eu one. So how is it different then other than being older?
True and that's why I posted. Ixquick has been the same as Startpage since March 29th. Here's the announcement. As far as the differences, you can see what they are by performing a search and scrolling to the bottom of the first search page on both ixquick.eu and ixquick.com/startpage.com.

Shadeclan

Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by Shadeclan » 2016-12-12, 14:51

0strodamus wrote:
soewhaty wrote:Well, that highly contradicts Shadeclan's opinion - viewtopic.php?f=16&t=13888&start=60#p100530

But yeah, I saw the .eu one. So how is it different then other than being older?
True and that's why I posted. Ixquick has been the same as Startpage since March 29th. Here's the announcement. As far as the differences, you can see what they are by performing a search and scrolling to the bottom of the first search page on both ixquick.eu and ixquick.com/startpage.com.
Thanks for the update, Ostrodamus. Think I'll update my IxQuick search bar to use IxQuick.eu.

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Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by riiis » 2016-12-21, 02:46

coffeebreak wrote:BetterPrivacy v1.68/1.68.1 was removed from AMO sometime this Fall. The ".1" on the latter version merely indicates that Mozilla signed the file -- in every other respect these are the same version.
soewhaty wrote:So how do you get v1.68.1 - a trusted source, that is ...???
For PM27, you might try Better Privacy 1.69 from AMO (after first changing the Firefox min-version to 27.0 in Better Privacy's install.rdf):
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... rsion-1.69

To edit Better Privacy's install.rdf, open Better Privacy's xpi file, using 7-zip, Bandizip, or similar archive manager. Right-click on the install.rdf file and select edit. Make your changes, then save and exit.

Later versions of Better Privacy may also work, but I've only used 1.69 and lower.

JustOff

Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by JustOff » 2017-02-05, 18:42

I made some work to revive Privacy Badger for Pale Moon 27.1, it seems it works at least no worse than in Firefox.

But after digging inside I have to state that I will not recommend to use this add-on, because it's written very suboptimally and is full of bugs which will unlikely be corrected in the future (imagine that it can't even do clean uninstall without browser restart, even in its native Mozilla environment).

I strongly advice everyone to consider using other proper extensions for privacy such as uBlock Origin, uMatrix, NoScript Security Suite etc.

soewhaty

Re: General add-ons compatibility [and in particular Privacy Badger]

Unread post by soewhaty » 2017-02-06, 08:10

Thanks for following up on this. I guess despite the fact PB is developed by EFF, whom I trust, the addon itself is not the go-to choice when it comes to privacy. You did correctly mention, though, the alternatives which I am taking advantage of at the moment. Thanks again! :)