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soewhaty
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by soewhaty » 2016-12-09, 16:12
Moonchild wrote:soewhaty wrote:As to the paid part - yeah, fair enough, but then again if they get $ from advertiser, then I don't see why they should charge users
If they have ads
and charge users, then they are
just being greedy. On top of that, any ads displayed on the same page as your e-mail is a potential privacy hazard, so if that's the case then their security and privacy is far from "second to none".
Well, that is also what I was hinting at ... but as I said .. who knows, maybe it's not nuff $$$ for them to be on the market, or maybe u r right and it is just pure greed, which won't surprise me. Well, as I get it it is not exactly ads they serve. Here's what they say themselves:
Q: How does StartPage make money if it doesn't store or sell my personal data?
StartPage shows a limited amount of relevant sponsored results on the top and the bottom of the results page.
Each time these sponsored results are clicked upon StartPage receives a minimal fee from the advertiser.
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Shadeclan
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by Shadeclan » 2016-12-09, 19:18
half-moon wrote:The only way to have complete email privacy, is by running your own mail server.
Well, sure dude. I don't have the cash or know-how to do that.

And, you know, what Moonchild said
They could be lying, of course. They do, however, provide an inordinate number of tools for securing your privacy. Most sites just tell you that they take care of it and leave it at that.
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Shadeclan
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by Shadeclan » 2016-12-09, 19:21
Moonchild wrote: ... If they have ads and charge users, then they are just being greedy. On top of that, any ads displayed on the same page as your e-mail is a potential privacy hazard, so if that's the case then their security and privacy is far from "second to none".
They only charge for their email service. Everything else is free. And, as you know, servers cost money.
The ads they display are dependent on your current search, not your search history which they don't keep.
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Shadeclan
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by Shadeclan » 2016-12-09, 19:30
BTW, Moonchild - from the
StartPage Q&A site:
Q: How can Google install a Google cookie in my browser when I never use Google?
This has nothing to do with StartPage. A Google cookie called 'PREF' can be set when you use Firefox or Chrome as your browser, regardless of whether you visit google.com or any other site ...
I assume that PaleMoon doesn't do this unless, of course, one visits Google with cookies on?
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soewhaty
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by soewhaty » 2016-12-09, 19:37
Shadeclan wrote:BTW, Moonchild - from the
StartPage Q&A site:
Q: How can Google install a Google cookie in my browser when I never use Google?
This has nothing to do with StartPage. A Google cookie called 'PREF' can be set when you use Firefox or Chrome as your browser, regardless of whether you visit google.com or any other site ...
I assume that PaleMoon doesn't do this unless, of course, one visits Google with cookies on?
Well, about Chrome I knew, but FF too ... well, FF has nowadays basically become Chrome v2.0 so that's not surprising.
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0strodamus
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by 0strodamus » 2016-12-10, 00:57
They are now exactly the same. If you want to use the old ixquick which was different, use
https://ixquick.eu.
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soewhaty
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by soewhaty » 2016-12-10, 01:01
0strodamus wrote:
They are now exactly the same. If you want to use the old ixquick which was different, use
https://ixquick.eu.
Well, that highly contradicts Shadeclan's opinion -
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=13888&start=60#p100530
But yeah, I saw the .eu one. So how is it different then other than being older?
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Moonchild
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by Moonchild » 2016-12-10, 11:22
Shadeclan wrote:Moonchild wrote: ... If they have ads and charge users, then they are just being greedy. On top of that, any ads displayed on the same page as your e-mail is a potential privacy hazard, so if that's the case then their security and privacy is far from "second to none".
They only charge for their email service. Everything else is free. And, as you know, servers cost money.
The ads they display are dependent on your current search, not your search history which they don't keep.
I don't use their services. I (possibly incorrectly) understood that if you use the paid mail service, you'd have ads (e.g. in webmail interface).
Of course a free search has to be funded somehow

No problem with that! I was just talking about StartMail there.
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soewhaty
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by soewhaty » 2016-12-10, 11:24
Moonchild wrote:I don't use their services. I (possibly incorrectly) understood that if you use the paid mail service, you'd have ads (e.g. in webmail interface).
Of course a free search has to be funded somehow

No problem with that! I was just talking about StartMail there.
What's your go-to privacy (
if such even exists) search engine
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dark_moon
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by dark_moon » 2016-12-10, 12:21
DuckDuckGo is a nice privacy search engine
And for web service i can recommend Posteo (1€ / month) and OpenMailBox (free)
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0strodamus
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by 0strodamus » 2016-12-11, 02:52
True and that's why I posted. Ixquick has been the same as Startpage since March 29th. Here's the
announcement. As far as the differences, you can see what they are by performing a search and scrolling to the bottom of the first search page on both ixquick.eu and ixquick.com/startpage.com.
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Shadeclan
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by Shadeclan » 2016-12-12, 14:51
0strodamus wrote:
True and that's why I posted. Ixquick has been the same as Startpage since March 29th. Here's the
announcement. As far as the differences, you can see what they are by performing a search and scrolling to the bottom of the first search page on both ixquick.eu and ixquick.com/startpage.com.
Thanks for the update, Ostrodamus. Think I'll update my IxQuick search bar to use IxQuick.eu.
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riiis
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by riiis » 2016-12-21, 02:46
coffeebreak wrote:BetterPrivacy v1.68/1.68.1 was removed from AMO sometime this Fall. The ".1" on the latter version merely indicates that Mozilla signed the file -- in every other respect these are the same version.
soewhaty wrote:So how do you get v1.68.1 - a trusted source, that is ...???
For PM27, you might try Better Privacy 1.69 from AMO (after first changing the Firefox min-version to 27.0 in Better Privacy's install.rdf):
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... rsion-1.69
To edit Better Privacy's install.rdf, open Better Privacy's xpi file, using 7-zip, Bandizip, or similar archive manager. Right-click on the install.rdf file and select edit. Make your changes, then save and exit.
Later versions of Better Privacy may also work, but I've only used 1.69 and lower.
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JustOff
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by JustOff » 2017-02-05, 18:42
I made some work to revive Privacy Badger for Pale Moon 27.1, it seems it works at least no worse than in Firefox.
But after digging inside I have to state that I will not recommend to use this add-on, because it's written very suboptimally and is
full of bugs which will unlikely be corrected in the future (imagine that it can't even do clean uninstall without browser restart, even in its native Mozilla environment).
I strongly advice everyone to consider using other proper extensions for privacy such as uBlock Origin, uMatrix, NoScript Security Suite etc.
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soewhaty
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by soewhaty » 2017-02-06, 08:10
Thanks for following up on this. I guess despite the fact PB is developed by EFF, whom I trust, the addon itself is not the go-to choice when it comes to privacy. You did correctly mention, though, the alternatives which I am taking advantage of at the moment. Thanks again!
