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Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by bawldiggle » 2014-10-20, 01:33

On my 32bit Laptop Adblock Plus icon/control was missing from the Palemoon UI, after a Palemoon update (2 days ago)
- a quick-fix offered on Palemoon forum was a Palemoon specific Adblock Pluck 2.6.4-PM ... and it worked

But now on one of our 64bit rigs ... Adblock Plus is no longer available on Palemoon UI
- ADB icon/control was missing before today's Palemoon update
- I have removed AdBlock Plus, so no opportunity to see if the ADP icon/control is somewhere else on the Palemoon UI

Now I cannot find the Adblock Stickie by "Matt A. Tobin"
Q1: where might I find the Adblock quick-fix down load ?

Thank you,
- or have I missed something somewhere ... maybe a Homer moment ? :mrgreen:
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Palemoon; auto updates current version (32-bit)

Evil Moo

Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon

Unread post by Evil Moo » 2014-10-20, 01:38


cooperb21

Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by cooperb21 » 2014-10-20, 03:36

I went to the adblock plus forums by sound of it most people don't seem be happy 90% saying it should be palemoon dev's job to make addon compatible and that they should not be using old code based off firefox 24.

They say do one of following..
1) Use ESR 31 and remove the Australis Patch(s)
2) Use ESR 31 and include Classicthemerestorer Extension as a default (Don't do this there is already cyberfox)
3) Use ESR 24 but maintain their own extensions

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2014-10-20, 04:40

Yep.. That is exactly what I am gonna have to do.. I am forking Adblock Plus.. First order of business besides rebranding will be to remove that non-intrusive ads whitelist bull so that ABP and ABE people can go back to using one add-on.

The problem i am facing right now is if i should fork it at an earlier version before the australis junk was added in (about 2.4.1) and cherry pick relevant enhancements from then on. Nearly every enhancement has been a "Firefox changed something so we must too" type of change I count maybe 4-10 commits from 2.4.1 to 2.6.5 that have been to actually enhance ABP and NOT be because of Firefox bs.

The other option is to fork it at 2.6.5 and try and remove and clean up junk. I am pursuing both courses to see what comes out best and will of course add relevant fixes from main-line as needed.

This has to take a top priority because I don't think they are exactly happy about the pseudo-statics using their brand. And really we need a more permanent solution for it.

BTW I am calling it .. Adblock Latitude :P

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by megaman » 2014-10-20, 04:46

Matt A Tobin wrote:BTW I am calling it .. Adblock Latitude :P
Please, keep us informed on the status of Latitude when you commence the development. I am so anxious to try it.

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by Night Wing » 2014-10-20, 09:07

As a user of static Adblock Edge (ABE) for linux Pale Moon in 64 bit, I'll be following how things progress concerning Latitude. I know the users of static of Windows and linux Adblock Plus (ABP) in 64 bit will be doing the same.
Linux Mint 22.1 (Xia) Xfce w/Pale Moon, Waterfox, Firefox
MX Linux 23.6 (Libretto) Xfce w/Pale Moon, Waterfox, Firefox
Linux Debian 12.11 (Bookworm) Xfce w/Pale Moon, Waterfox, Firefox

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by cooperb21 » 2014-10-20, 18:22

So will you guys update 2.6.5 to work with palemoon soon or just work on your own adblock? I think it fixes some bugs over one currently on here to download.

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2014-10-20, 18:25

It fixes ZERO bugs that affect ABP only those in the most recent versions of Firefox. To answer your question No.. ABP will not be updated. Instead Binary Outcast is producing its own fork of it called Adblock Latitude

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by cooperb21 » 2014-10-20, 18:35

Matt A Tobin wrote:It fixes ZERO bugs that affect ABP only those in the most recent versions of Firefox. To answer your question No.. ABP will not be updated. Instead Binary Outcast is producing its own fork of it called Adblock Latitude
Ok then.

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by bawldiggle » 2014-10-20, 21:18

As the OP ;)
Evil Moo wrote:Here is the pseudo-static version: http://addons.palemoon.org/extensions/privacy-and-security/adblock-plus/
@ "Evil Moo" +1 ... thanks for the link :thumbup:
Q1: Is that a generic link for 32-bit and 64-bit ?
- the download web page a few days ago had two links
  • Adblock Plus (pseudo static)
  • Adblock Edge (pseudo static]
From other posts on this (my) thread (and some considerable time on Adblock site) I now have some more insight into Plus vs Edge
Q2: Does 'Element Hiding Helper for Adblock Plus' play with Edge ... OR.. am I missing the point ?
- I realise "... for Adblock Plus" ... is the point
- even with Plus enabled, on some sites I have to manually hide some individual elements to hide over-the-top intrusions
- I don't see the point in a white-list. If a critical element is hidden (it does happen), it is easy enough to disable Adblock

Q3: Are there plans for Latitude to play-with EazyLists
- I am particularly interested in either Fanboy's Annoyance List or Fanboy's Social Blocking List
- or am I getting ahead of the ball game here ?

Despite the difficulties with some Firefox addons in Palemoon I will not be abandoning Palemoon.
- at one point it was "come the revolution" ... now we are in the thick of it
- wish I could help in some way

... back to the discussion ... very interesting times :mrgreen:
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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by Supernova » 2014-10-20, 21:22

01d[hook wrote:Q1: Is that a generic link for 32-bit and 64-bit ?
General rule : extensions/addons (which are different of plugins) do not have binary components, and so do NOT care of 32/64 bits.
For Adblock plus & edge, well they are two differents extension, the second being a fork from the first with the main change being the absence of so-called "aceptable ads" of Plus.

Q2 > Extensions meant to add functionnality to Plus do add it too for edge. Since edge do not go with its whitelist, there are less elements to block, however the ability to block elements go far beyond than just blocking yourself what was whitelisted.

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2014-10-21, 01:04

Actually extensions CAN have binary components but it is in general the exception and not the rule.
Pale Moon Add-on Manager wrote: What are Add-ons?

Add-ons let you customize Pale Moon with extra functionality or a different look. There are several types of add-ons. Extensions expand the capabilities of the browser, themes allow you to personalize Pale Moon's visual aesthetic, and plugins further extend the browser with specialized external components such as the Adobe Flash Player.

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by Supernova » 2014-10-21, 01:23

Uh yes, I was aware of it (thanks to that very forum), but forgot to mention with a "except some rare ones" or something like that. :silent:

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2014-10-21, 01:26

Supernova wrote:Uh yes, I was aware of it (thanks to that very forum), but forgot to mention with a "except some rare ones" or something like that. :silent:
You are fine. Just .. wanted to make sure it was mentioned. That.. and I rephrased it to properly define it so wanted to show off lol.


Still better than Firefox's
Firefox Add-on Manager wrote: What are Add-ons?

Add-ons are applications that let you personalize Firefox with extra functionality or style. Try a time-saving sidebar, a weather notifier, or a themed look to make Firefox your own.
applications? so they can run without Firefox right? NOPE. Personalize? Hasn't hardly been true since Australis.. Time-saving sidebar? Ok I can off the top of my head think of 5 sidebar based extensions and i wouldn't exactly describe them as "Time-saving".. Weather notifier? You mean Forecastfox as the other ones are just junk. Themed look? Oh yeah TOOLBAR BACKGROUNDS! SURE DOES MAKE FIREFOX MY OWN!

So yeah I figured an actual factual description of the different types was better than marketing lies.

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by Supernova » 2014-10-21, 01:38

Matt A Tobin wrote:You mean Forecastfox as the other ones are just junk.
Forecastfox, which do not work with Australis, so FF 29 & higher. :D

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by back2themoon » 2014-10-23, 13:33

I'll report this here, Adblock Edge (Pseudo-Static) auto-updates itself to the mainline version after a while and of course the icon etc. stop working. I've noticed this on at least 3 PC's. No such problem with Adblock Plus (Pseudo-Static).

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2014-10-23, 13:38

back2themoon wrote:I'll report this here, Adblock Edge (Pseudo-Static) auto-updates itself to the mainline version after a while and of course the icon etc. stop working. I've noticed this on at least 3 PC's. No such problem with Adblock Plus (Pseudo-Static).
Fixed. Remove it and reinstall it from the add-ons page. Do note that after I get Adblock Latitude going that the Psuedo-Static will no longer be available due to branding reasons. As ABL will replace ABP and ABE.

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by back2themoon » 2014-10-23, 13:42

Perfect, thanks for the faster-than-Superman fix.

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by Sparky Kestrel » 2014-10-25, 04:35

Hi, just wanted to say a big THANK YOU for the static version of Adblock Plus for Palemoon.
As was previously reported, Adblock still worked in v25 but the menu entry disappeared, which meant I could not get to the preferences and could not even access the element hiding helper.
I was considering switching to Firefox (but then would have to install some addons to switch the ugly UI to mimic the older versions) but after a bit of looking around on these forums found the links to the add-on known issues page and the link to the Pseudo-static version of Adblock plus.
Now everything works as expected and the element hiding helper works too.
So I can stay with the far superior Palemoon browser.

Just a quick question, when you have Adblock latitude going will the Pseudo-static version of ABP automatically update to ABL or will we need to uninstall ABP and then install ABL?

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Re: Adblock Plus workaround for Palemoon 64bit

Unread post by back2themoon » 2014-10-25, 12:28

Sparky Kestrel wrote:Just a quick question, when you have Adblock latitude going will the Pseudo-static version of ABP automatically update to ABL or will we need to uninstall ABP and then install ABL?
The Pseudo-static versions do not auto-update (the ad-blocking filters/lists do), so you'll have to uninstall it first. After that, install ABL and it will always auto-update on its own.