Microphone support.

hobbledehoy899 · Unread post by **hobbledehoy899** » 2017-02-19, 11:30

It'd be great if I could use Discord voice chat on the webapp, but as far as I can tell Pale Moon has no microphone support yet.

Unread post by **Moonchild** » 2017-02-19, 15:32

There's no point. Discord will likely be using WebRTC anyway which won't work.

hobbledehoy899 · Unread post by **hobbledehoy899** » 2017-02-19, 18:41

How's there no point? There's plenty of site here having a microphone is ether needed or just handy to have.

Nigaikaze · Unread post by **Nigaikaze** » 2017-02-19, 20:31

hobbledehoy899 wrote:How's there no point? There's plenty of site here having a microphone is ether needed or just handy to have.

Because functions like that typically rely on WebRTC, and Pale Moon does not support WebRTC.

Unread post by **Moonchild** » 2017-02-19, 21:02

hobbledehoy899 wrote:How's there no point? There's plenty of site here having a microphone is ether needed or just handy to have.

Short of voice chat, where would this be needed?

hobbledehoy899 · Unread post by **hobbledehoy899** » 2017-02-20, 02:09

Moonchild wrote:Short of voice chat, where would this be needed?

Web-cam chat sites.

hobbledehoy899 · Unread post by **hobbledehoy899** » 2017-02-20, 02:19

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hobbledehoy899 · Unread post by **hobbledehoy899** » 2017-02-20, 02:31

Nigaikaze wrote:Because functions like that typically rely on WebRTC, and Pale Moon does not support WebRTC.

And yet Firefox has supported that standard since version 22. I know that Firefox and Pale Moon are two destinate web-browsers, but I really do think that adding this kind of feature "redundancy" (that at worse wouldn't change how the browser works for people who just don't use mics'n'cams on the web) will only make the switch from Firefox to Pale Moon look that much more enticing.

(Also, I'd like to think that standardized protocols wouldn't be considered a "redundant" feature.)

Nigaikaze · Unread post by **Nigaikaze** » 2017-02-20, 02:35

Just FYI, from the Pale Moon technical details page:

The following features have been disabled or removed by design:
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WebRTC. Apart from opening up a whole can of worms security/privacy-wise, "Web Real Time Chat" (comparable with Skype video calls and the likes) is not considered useful or desired functionality for Pale Moon (both according to the developers and the users of the browser at large). This is best left to dedicated programs or at most a browser plug-in.

Do a search for WebRTC on the forum and you can find prior discussions about why it has not been (and will not be) included in Pale Moon.

Unread post by **trava90** » 2017-02-20, 02:49

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hobbledehoy899 · Unread post by **hobbledehoy899** » 2017-02-20, 04:21

So is there any hope for a browser extension/plug-in for it?

hobbledehoy899 · Unread post by **hobbledehoy899** » 2017-02-20, 07:41

Like a "you're doing it to yourself" situation where only the people actively seeking WebRCT compatibility can go and install the plug-in?

Unread post by **Moonchild** » 2017-02-20, 11:31

hobbledehoy899 wrote:So is there any hope for a browser extension/plug-in for it?

That entirely depends on whether someone is going to write it.
The only plug-in based solution for WebRTC that I know of so far is the "TemWebRTC plugin" - no idea if it will work in Pale Moon's current versions or not. YMMV

adding this kind of feature "redundancy" (that at worse wouldn't change how the browser works for people who just don't use mics'n'cams on the web)

And here's where you're wrong. Building and enabling WebRTC impacts everyone, including people who don't use mics'n'cams, by adding a potentially vulnerable API and additional code.

New Tobin Paradigm · Unread post by **New Tobin Paradigm** » 2017-02-20, 11:34

It does not function in Pale Moon. Not only is it an even more primitive version of the spec than pre-Tycho Pale Moon (last I checked) it is specifically written for Safari compatibility in its NPAPI form. Additionally, it requires special javascript to address it. In other words, useless as would any plugin based solution would be for WebRTC. The service providers would have to support any such plugin and as we all know they will not.

fillerup · Unread post by **fillerup** » 2017-02-20, 14:02

do language learning sites who require users to speak into a mic to assess their pronunciations fall into this category?

hobbledehoy899 · Unread post by **hobbledehoy899** » 2017-02-20, 14:07

fillerup wrote:do language learning sites who require users to speak into a mic to assess their pronunciations fall into this category?

I believe so, yes.

kizo07 · Unread post by **kizo07** » 2017-02-20, 16:11

Off-topic:
If you guys intend to learn language directly in browser, you soon gonna be at same level as me in English...maybe even gooder

Unread post by **Moonchild** » 2017-02-20, 17:06

fillerup wrote:do language learning sites who require users to speak into a mic to assess their pronunciations fall into this category?

That entirely depends on how the site is set up.

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