Java Help Please!
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Java Help Please!
How do I re-enable Java? The Browse is blocking it and I cannot unblock it.
Re: Java Help Please!
The reason that Java is blocked for you is that it's an old, insecure version that is now being targetted for attacks. http://news.techworld.com/security/3349 ... x/?olo=rss Further info from Mozilla about it here.
Doesn't the latest version of Java work with the site(s) you want to use?
Doesn't the latest version of Java work with the site(s) you want to use?
Re: Java Help Please!
I have the same issue, I really need to use an old Java version 1.4 for access a vital system in the University. And no they don't want to change it, to the point to distirbute the java 1.4 executable with the access to the system. Any never version of Java just don't work with that system, so my option may be *gasp* to use MISE for use the University website. :O
Re: Java Help Please!
It's what is called "soft-blocked". This means you still have the option to enable the plugin if you really need to.
Go to the add-on manager, plugins. You can enable it from there (it will be marked with yellow). A hard-blocked one would be marked with red and can't be enabled at all.
Go to the add-on manager, plugins. You can enable it from there (it will be marked with yellow). A hard-blocked one would be marked with red and can't be enabled at all.
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Re: Java Help Please!
It is not "soft-blocked" because it is colored RED. In other words there is no way to use an old version of Java.Moonchild wrote:It's what is called "soft-blocked". This means you still have the option to enable the plugin if you really need to.
Go to the add-on manager, plugins. You can enable it from there (it will be marked with yellow). A hard-blocked one would be marked with red and can't be enabled at all.
Re: Java Help Please!
Let's begin again, shall we?
Older, insecure versions of Java are now blocked in many browsers. Even previously 'secure' operating systems, such as Mac OSX, have rushed out patched versions of Java in the last few days - there is a very serious risk using older versions - not theoretical - real, live exploits are out there and almost any site you visit could be loaded with one of them, there's no foolproof way of checking a site before a visit.
Have you tried updating your Java to the latest version and tested it on the site(s) you need Java for?
I think you'll find that your old and insecure version of Java was blocked because you allowed it to be; there should have been a window/popup asking you, or allowing you to disallow the block. I can't personally vouch for or check this though, as I no longer have any Java on my PC.
If you really need to leave your computer open to attack, here's the details from Mozilla (easy to find from my earlier links) to work around the block in Firefox:To find your Pale Moon profile folder, enter about:support into the URL bar then click on the 'Open contaning folder' button.
I would normally suggest that you only allow Java when you need to, disabling it within Add-ons manager when you don't. I really don't know if that's still an easy option with a blocked plugin.
Older, insecure versions of Java are now blocked in many browsers. Even previously 'secure' operating systems, such as Mac OSX, have rushed out patched versions of Java in the last few days - there is a very serious risk using older versions - not theoretical - real, live exploits are out there and almost any site you visit could be loaded with one of them, there's no foolproof way of checking a site before a visit.
Have you tried updating your Java to the latest version and tested it on the site(s) you need Java for?
I think you'll find that your old and insecure version of Java was blocked because you allowed it to be; there should have been a window/popup asking you, or allowing you to disallow the block. I can't personally vouch for or check this though, as I no longer have any Java on my PC.
If you really need to leave your computer open to attack, here's the details from Mozilla (easy to find from my earlier links) to work around the block in Firefox:
I would normally suggest that you only allow Java when you need to, disabling it within Add-ons manager when you don't. I really don't know if that's still an easy option with a blocked plugin.
Re: Java Help Please!
It should be soft-blocked because the severity in the blocklist is set to "1", which is lower than the default extensions.blocklist.level in Pale Moon (which is 2)greenboyb1 wrote:It is not "soft-blocked" because it is colored RED. In other words there is no way to use an old version of Java.
The entry in the blocklist is:
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<pluginItem blockID="p80">
<match name="description" exp="[^\d\._](0(\.\d+(\.\d+([_\.]\d+)?)?)?)|(1\.(([0-5](\.\d+([_\.]\d+)?)?)|(6(\.0[_\.](0?\d|1\d|2\d|30))?)|(7(\.0([_\.][0-2])?)?)))([^\d\._]|$)" />
<match name="filename" exp="(npjp2\.dll)|(IcedTeaPlugin\.so)|(libnpjp2\.so)" />
<versionRange severity="1"></versionRange>
</pluginItem>
In Firefox 3.1 and higher a severity for the block may be specified on the versionRange element. This should be a value 0 to 3. If the value is equal or higher than a threshold set in the client (2 in Firefox 3.1) then the item will be blocked as normal. If the value is lower then the user will only be warned about the item and may choose to continue to use it. If no severity value exists then the maximum severity is used (3)
So, unless you have set extensions.blocklist.level to a non-standard value, it should only be at "warn" level and you should be able to unblock it.
If you continue having issues, follow Cymroly's workaround deleting the downloaded blocklist.xml and pluginreg.dat as outlined.
If somehow you still can't get it to work, there is a second workaround: find the blocklist.xml file in your Pale Moon profile folder, and remove the <pluginitem> entry indicated above.
ALSO, to prevent it from being updated after that, undoing your edit, you have to set extensions.blocklist.url to an empty string in about:config
Note that not updating the blocklist may cause security issues of its own down the road, so this is all at your own risk.
"Sometimes, the best way to get what you want is to be a good person." -- Louis Rossmann
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
Re: Java Help Please!
OK, to be sure I verified this with JRE 6 U 30 (a vulnerable version) in a sandbox VM running XP and Pale Moon 11.0.1.
It detected the plugin being blocked, presenting the following screen: Unchecking the "disable" checkbox leaves the plugin enabled, and you can continue using it.
For the sake of testing, I let it restart and disable the plugin.
After disabling as suggested and restarting Pale Moon, the Add-on manager shows the entry in YELLOW, and allows enabling of the plugin: The functionality in Pale Moon works as expected (on a new profile), so Cymroly's workaround, in effect resetting the recorded entries in the blocklist for Pale Moon, should certainly work. I gather this may pop up if you use a particularly old, and possibly Firefox-migrated, profile.
It detected the plugin being blocked, presenting the following screen: Unchecking the "disable" checkbox leaves the plugin enabled, and you can continue using it.
For the sake of testing, I let it restart and disable the plugin.
After disabling as suggested and restarting Pale Moon, the Add-on manager shows the entry in YELLOW, and allows enabling of the plugin: The functionality in Pale Moon works as expected (on a new profile), so Cymroly's workaround, in effect resetting the recorded entries in the blocklist for Pale Moon, should certainly work. I gather this may pop up if you use a particularly old, and possibly Firefox-migrated, profile.
"Sometimes, the best way to get what you want is to be a good person." -- Louis Rossmann
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
Re: Java Help Please!
Ok Thank You everybody. First when Cym said
BTW I have enough understanding of code that I could have changed the blocklist level and/or blocklist once I knew where it was.
No offense, just putting here for future reference.
P.S. I would like to see a new tab page made (like opera's), with the option to turn it off.
I thank you for the links, however I am on a computer where I don't have an admin account (even though it is my PC) so I cannot update Java or access mozilla.com. And when Moonchild saidcymroly wrote:Have you tried updating your Java to the latest version and tested it on the site(s) you need Java for? ... If you really need to leave your computer open to attack, here's the details from Mozilla (easy to find from my earlier links) to work around the block in Firefox:
He was kinda right. I have not edited the blocklist however, even though I run 9.0.1 palemoon and v6.0.300.12 of java, the severity level was set to "2". Go figure. So I am back up and running. Thanks again for all the time you all spent on me.Moonchild wrote:So, unless you have set extensions.blocklist.level to a non-standard value, it should only be at "warn" level and you should be able to unblock it.
BTW I have enough understanding of code that I could have changed the blocklist level and/or blocklist once I knew where it was.
No offense, just putting here for future reference.
P.S. I would like to see a new tab page made (like opera's), with the option to turn it off.
Re: Java Help Please!
I'm sorry for bother you guys. Well, Pale Moon don't see java. Firefox says it see JAVA Deployment Toolkit versions 6.0.150.3 (??). Windows have Java 1.4.2_19. Really is a mess in my windows somewhere nothing bad with Pale Moon.
Re: Java Help Please!
Okay, I got bored of this thing, so I did bite the silver bullet and killed my both installs of Pale Moon and Fire Fox and made a new install from zero. Even I removed folders and keys with Ccleaner.
What I found? Java 1.4.x is not longer supported for Mozilla since is too old. Fire fox don't see it, hence Pale Moon doesn't. I just upload a nice screenshot of the results in case that someone needs that old plugin for some critical (ie. a lame java control for upload final exam notes). If you don't see old Java plugins and the procedure showed by Moonchild doesn't work, then you have two options: Upgrade Java if you can... or use MISE.
What I found? Java 1.4.x is not longer supported for Mozilla since is too old. Fire fox don't see it, hence Pale Moon doesn't. I just upload a nice screenshot of the results in case that someone needs that old plugin for some critical (ie. a lame java control for upload final exam notes). If you don't see old Java plugins and the procedure showed by Moonchild doesn't work, then you have two options: Upgrade Java if you can... or use MISE.
Re: Java Help Please!
And perhaps Java 1.4 still works in pale Moon 3.6.x, too (I haven't tested it).Upgrade Java if you can... or use MISE.
It would be an idea to use the portable Pale Moon 3.6.x, dropping in the Java plugin in its proper location:
{Pale Moon Portable folder}\Lib\Java\bin\new_plugin
Then you can use this installation for the specific purpose of using your Java 1.4 web app. I strongly suggest you run it sandboxed though, like in sandboxie, because java 1.4 is not safe at all. Using MSIE with an old Java RE is asking for a lot of trouble.
Bottom line is: your university needs to upgrade their java app to be compatible with current java versions.
"Sometimes, the best way to get what you want is to be a good person." -- Louis Rossmann
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
Re: Java Help Please!
I'll check with Pale Moon 3.x, Moonchild. And yes is a real cry here for that applet to change but the University have the common "we say so!" IT crowd and if you need help they send again that Java 1.4.2_19 install as a must.Moonchild wrote:Bottom line is: your university needs to upgrade their java app to be compatible with current java versions.Upgrade Java if you can... or use MISE.
Re: Java Help Please!
Pale Moon version: 11.0.1
OS: Windows XP SP3 with full updates
Java Version: Latest available (Version 6 Update 31)
Unfortunately, Pale Moon will not recognize my Java at all even though it is the latest versions available.
Java will not appear in the list of plug-ins on Pale Moon. And that same Pale Moon page keeps telling me that my Java has been blocked for my own safety.
Also, when I go to the Java control panel ---> Browsers, and I click on Mozilla family, it never "sticks". When I go back, the box is [not] clicked once more.
This is not crucial for me, but I just want to report that even with Java 6:31 the same problem occurs! Thank you.
OS: Windows XP SP3 with full updates
Java Version: Latest available (Version 6 Update 31)
Unfortunately, Pale Moon will not recognize my Java at all even though it is the latest versions available.
Java will not appear in the list of plug-ins on Pale Moon. And that same Pale Moon page keeps telling me that my Java has been blocked for my own safety.
Also, when I go to the Java control panel ---> Browsers, and I click on Mozilla family, it never "sticks". When I go back, the box is [not] clicked once more.
This is not crucial for me, but I just want to report that even with Java 6:31 the same problem occurs! Thank you.
Re: Java Help Please!
Relative to my post above, here is the strange thing:
I just installed SeaMonkey (another Mozilla Family browser) and the Java add-on works fine, and does [not] get disabled by the Mozilla safety check procedure !
Hope this helps in figuring out this strange issue. Thanks.
I just installed SeaMonkey (another Mozilla Family browser) and the Java add-on works fine, and does [not] get disabled by the Mozilla safety check procedure !
Hope this helps in figuring out this strange issue. Thanks.
Re: Java Help Please!
If you type about:plugins in your address bar and press enter, for a proper installation of the Java plugin, it should include the following entries:
Which is what I just pulled from my own 11.0.1 with Java 6U31 installed.
If it differs, it may be a good idea to uninstall the JRE completely and re-install it.
If it differs, it may be a good idea to uninstall the JRE completely and re-install it.
"Sometimes, the best way to get what you want is to be a good person." -- Louis Rossmann
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
Re: Java Help Please!
Yes, just now I uninstalled Java, then reinstalled it.
BTW, I have previously used JavaRa to make sure to remove all outdated versions of Java.
And it is the darndest thing!
Typing [about:plugins] into Pale Moon, Java still does not show up.
But typing [about:plugins] into SeaMonkey, Java shows up fine.
This is obviously a Firefox glitch.
I appreciate everyone's help, but at this point I need to get to other priorities. Thanks!
BTW, I have previously used JavaRa to make sure to remove all outdated versions of Java.
And it is the darndest thing!
Typing [about:plugins] into Pale Moon, Java still does not show up.
But typing [about:plugins] into SeaMonkey, Java shows up fine.
This is obviously a Firefox glitch.
I appreciate everyone's help, but at this point I need to get to other priorities. Thanks!