Memory usage.

newbie3 · Unread post by **newbie3** » 2016-05-23, 17:18

As I see, "Pale Moon" uses too much memory (almost all of it), in comparison with the "Microsoft Edge" for example (with opened multiple tabs on both browsers - 10 in "Pale Moon" and 24 in "Edge"). Please, do something about it.

Unread post by **Moonchild** » 2016-05-23, 20:33

If you're looking at what task manager tells you, then you should know that those numbers are inaccurate for any Microsoft browser (much lower than actual use).

That being said, we're more than happy to look at memory inflation issues, but you must give us the necessary details to do anything about such things.

newbie3 · Unread post by **newbie3** » 2016-05-27, 05:35

Moonchild wrote:If you're looking at what task manager tells you, then you should know that those numbers are inaccurate for any Microsoft browser (much lower than actual use).

That being said, we're more than happy to look at memory inflation issues, but you must give us the necessary details to do anything about such things.

It's interesting what you say. You mean that the task manager is completely inaccurate? How to compare these two browsers then? I'm a big and loyal fan of Pale Moon.

dark_moon · Unread post by **dark_moon** » 2016-05-27, 07:28

Use Process Explorer from Microsoft for true memory usage.

newbie3 · Unread post by **newbie3** » 2016-05-27, 15:25

dark_moon wrote:Use Process Explorer from Microsoft for true memory usage.

I followed your advice and still:

MS Edge - 24 opened tabs - 620 000 K Private Bytes, 480 000 K Working Set
Pale Moon - 8 opened tabs - 1 400 000 K Private Bytes, 770 000 K Working Set

dark_moon · Unread post by **dark_moon** » 2016-05-27, 15:42

Tabs are not Tabs. You have more memory usage with 2 flash tabs as with 2 normal tabs.

And the Microsoft browser use system internal stuff, so you have a much lower memory usage. Thats by design.
Even if you compare Pale Moon vs firefox, opera, .... You have different memory usage because of other engine and so on.

Memory is for usage!
But you can give us more system infos and you can try of course a clean profile to check if your profile make problems with memory.

Unread post by **satrow** » 2016-05-27, 16:08

Your Pale Moon figures look inflated, something else is at work there?

Add-ons, security software, 3rd party .dlls hooked in, ... a bad site (check about:memory)?

Are you using the x86 or x64 version of PM?

My W7 with PM 26.2.2 x64, 97 active tabs across 2 browser windows plus a number of inactive tabs, 73 hour uptime:

PM mem usage.jpg

Thehandyman1957 · Unread post by **Thehandyman1957** » 2016-05-27, 21:10

It would also depend on what sites you have opened on those tabs. For instance, I have one web site that if left by it's self will sometimes take as much as 2 gigs of ram depending on how many flash items and Youtube video's are loaded and how long it's left open. It's a news site that links to many many other sites and often shows many Youtube vid's.

A better example would be to use the same exact sites on both browsers and then see the difference's. But still you going to have a bit of better visual ram usage in Edge because of it being part of Windows.

newbie3 · Unread post by **newbie3** » 2016-05-30, 13:57

Thanks for the answers, guys.

The situation is the same:

Pale Moon - 8 opened tabs - Gmail, Facebook, two online newspapers (with totally 3 flash banners on them), three photos and this forum. - CPU - 14,9-26,2% - Memory - 529 MB. (I reduced the plugins and add-ons to absolute minimum - 2 and 3)

MS Edge - 27 opened tabs - various web sites - CPU - 0% - Memory - 35,8 MB

This data is from the Task Manager, but as I said before, it's similar to Process Explorer's data. My computer is with Windows 10, installed RAM 4 GB (usable 3,84 GB), 64-bit operating system, Intel Core2 Duo CPU T6600 2,20 GHz.

newbie3 · Unread post by **newbie3** » 2016-05-30, 14:09

Even with only one tab opened - this forum only - CPU - 17,5%, Memory - 280 MB.

It's still nearly ten times more resourceful than MS Edge with 27 opened tabs.

snertev · Unread post by **snertev** » 2016-05-30, 15:06

newbie3 wrote:Even with only one tab opened - this forum only - CPU - 17,5%, Memory - 280 MB.

It's still nearly ten times more resourceful than MS Edge with 27 opened tabs.

I'm nearly sure you're counting only ONE Edge process and not the others.

I think Edge with 27 tabs open can consume 35.8 MB in a parallel universe only.

newbie3 · Unread post by **newbie3** » 2016-05-30, 15:27

snertev wrote:
I'm nearly sure you're counting only ONE Edge process and not the others.

I think Edge with 27 tabs open can consume 35.8 MB in a parallel universe only.

What do you mean with this only one process? I count Edge as two windows opened, with 27 opened tabs on them totally. I'm telling you what I see.

Thehandyman1957 · Unread post by **Thehandyman1957** » 2016-05-31, 00:20

newbie3 wrote:
snertev wrote:
I'm nearly sure you're counting only ONE Edge process and not the others.

I think Edge with 27 tabs open can consume 35.8 MB in a parallel universe only.
What do you mean with this only one process? I count Edge as two windows opened, with 27 opened tabs on them totally. I'm telling you what I see.

I think what snertev is trying to say is that there is simply no way that Edge is only using 35.8mb. It is simply not showing the other ram it is using because

it is wrapped up in Windows 10 somewhere. So your simply not seeing the whole picture of Edge's memory usage.

The real question at this point is, what other process's are being utilized while Edge is being used.

Knowing M$ we may never know.

Even with only one tab opened - this forum only - CPU - 17,5%, Memory - 280 MB.

I'm not sure why you would be seeing such CPU usage (is this while sitting idle?) but the memory seems right.

Here is a screen shot of Process Explorer showing my Pale Moon usage with only two Pale Moon forum tabs open.

Screenshot - 5_30_2016 , 5_12_59 PM.png

Mind you though, I have a boat load of add on's so the memory usage on mine will be higher. But as you can see, my CPU is less than 2%

What add on's are you using. Have you tried this with a fresh profile or with add on's disabled?

I also noticed that this post is in the wrong part of the forums and needs to be moved.

Screenshot - 5_30_2016 , 5_18_04 PM.png

newbie3 · Unread post by **newbie3** » 2016-05-31, 05:56

The data from Process Explorer:

Pale Moon - 9 tabs opened
CPU usage (without any other activity) - 22-34%, 444 000 K Private Bytes, 439 000 K Working Set (add-ons disabled)
CPU usage - 15-27%, 830 000 K Private Bytes, 550 140 K Working Set (add-ons enabled)

MS Edge - 28 tabs opened - CPU usage - 3-4 %, 416 532 K Private Bytes, 300 744 K Working Set

Pale Moon's add-ons: Bookmark Current Tab Set 0.2.4.1, Fasterfox Lite 3.9.9, Forecastfox 2.2.5; plugins: Adobe Acrobat 15.16.20039.54196, Shockwave Flash 21.0.0.242.

snertev · Unread post by **snertev** » 2016-05-31, 07:58

newbie3 wrote:The data from Process Explorer:

Pale Moon - 9 tabs opened
CPU usage (without any other activity) - 22-34%, 444 000 K Private Bytes, 439 000 K Working Set (add-ons disabled)
CPU usage - 15-27%, 830 000 K Private Bytes, 550 140 K Working Set (add-ons enabled)

MS Edge - 28 tabs opened - CPU usage - 3-4 %, 416 532 K Private Bytes, 300 744 K Working Set

Pale Moon's add-ons: Bookmark Current Tab Set 0.2.4.1, Fasterfox Lite 3.9.9, Forecastfox 2.2.5; plugins: Adobe Acrobat 15.16.20039.54196, Shockwave Flash 21.0.0.242.

BTW, I'm using the latest Process Explorer from Microsoft (version 16.12) and I can clearly see individual MS Edge processes when looking at this page of the forum:

MicrosoftEdge.exe CPU 0,01 PrivateBytes 22,088 K WorkingSet 65,604 K
MicrosoftEdgeCP,exe CPU 3,77 PrivateBytes 194,800 K WorkingSet 229,064 K
(and a Flash util process that adds some more MB)

A fresh installation of Pale Moon x64 with no extension:

PaleMoon.exe CPU 0.04 PrivateBytes 181384 K WorkingSet 197988
(I've tried to reload the forum page in order to find a Flash Ad to test the Flash plugin process, but without success)

These results are normal in my experience, when analyzing mono- and multi-process with 1 tab open.

The RAM overhead of multiprocess browsers (Edge, Chrome, Firefox e10s) is a lot higher with many tabs open.

newbie3 · Unread post by **newbie3** » 2016-05-31, 11:33

@snertev - what do you mean with this fresh installation? I have the latest version of "Pale Moon" - 26.2.2 (x86).

My version of Process Explorer is the same as yours - 16.12.

MildreEdgerly · Unread post by **MildreEdgerly** » 2016-05-31, 11:58

newbie3 wrote:As I see, "Pale Moon" uses too much memory (almost all of it), in comparison with the "Microsoft Edge" for example (with opened multiple tabs on both browsers - 10 in "Pale Moon" and 24 in "Edge"). Please, do something about it.

I agreed.

half-moon · Unread post by **half-moon** » 2016-05-31, 12:48

MildreEdgerly wrote:
newbie3 wrote:As I see, "Pale Moon" uses too much memory (almost all of it), in comparison with the "Microsoft Edge" for example (with opened multiple tabs on both browsers - 10 in "Pale Moon" and 24 in "Edge"). Please, do something about it.
I agreed.

You clearly don't see how much memory Edge uses; Edge uses a lot, but you'll never know just by looking at the task manager. It's actually been this way since 1997 when W95 had a shell update that integrated IE4 into the OS; That's why for M$ browsers, the memory usage will always appear to be much lower than it really is.

snertev · Unread post by **snertev** » 2016-05-31, 14:52

newbie3 wrote:@snertev - what do you mean with this fresh installation? I have the latest version of "Pale Moon" - 26.2.2 (x86).

My version of Process Explorer is the same as yours - 16.12.

A new installation from scratch in a clean PC, without further additions.

I installed Pale Moon x64 because Edge is a 64 bit application and they tend to use more RAM than 32 bit ones.

newbie3 · Unread post by **newbie3** » 2016-06-01, 08:45

@snertev - I don't think that a fresh installation will change anything. As I said, I use the latest version of the browser, with minimum add-ons and plugins.

@half-moon - I compared both with Process Explorer, if we can't trust Task Manager. Still "Pale Moon" uses much more memory with much less tabs opened.

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