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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Cogito Ergo Sum » 2016-02-15, 03:11

I'd like to know if Better Privacy works with Pale Moon 26.0.3 x64 on Win 7 x64 and if it does, how do i install it since it says "Not available for Firefox 24.9" which is i'm guessing caused by the weird new User Agents used by Pale Moon 26.

Incidentally the link for Secret Agent here https://addons.palemoon.org/extensions/ ... ret-agent/ redirects to nowhere.

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by superA » 2016-02-15, 06:59

The link redirects to https://www.dephormation.org.uk/?page=81 and works fine here.
As for the better-privacy addon, install version 1.68.1 from here https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... /versions/ , its author updated it recently after a long time,as far as I know, because latest FF broke it.

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by LimboSlam » 2016-02-15, 07:09

Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I'd like to know if Better Privacy works with Pale Moon 26.0.3 x64 on Win 7 x64 and if it does, how do i install it since it says "Not available for Firefox 24.9" which is i'm guessing caused by the weird new User Agents used by Pale Moon 26.
Actually this UA for AMO has been set in place before v26.0.0 of Pale Moon. Yes there's a good reason, but to put it simple it's there because we are as close as to Firefox v24.0 ESR (extension/add-on wise) and so keeping the range of compatibility issues to minimal. Though, really we're different and very much a diverging product/browser from Firefox (underthehood). Now two main points and of course many more show it all:

1.) Pale Moon v25+ we have forked-off from Firefox and changed our GUID,
2.) Pale Moon v26+ now brings forth a new layout/rendering called Goanna (another major milestone of independent development)



Alright not as simple as I'm rereading it. Well maybe MC or some other dev, user can chime in and explain better. :)
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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Cogito Ergo Sum » 2016-02-15, 08:06

superA wrote:The link redirects to https://www.dephormation.org.uk/?page=81 and works fine here.
As for the better-privacy addon, install version 1.68.1 from here https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... /versions/ , its author updated it recently after a long time,as far as I know, because latest FF broke it.
For some reason i can't load https://www.dephormation.org.uk/?page=81

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Cogito Ergo Sum » 2016-02-15, 08:08

LimboSlam wrote: Actually this UA for AMO has been set in place before v26.0.0 of Pale Moon. Yes there's a good reason, but to put it simple it's there because we are as close as to Firefox v24.0 ESR (extension/add-on wise) and so keeping the range of compatibility issues to minimal. Though, really we're different and very much a diverging product/browser from Firefox (underthehood). Now two main points and of course many more show it all:

1.) Pale Moon v25+ we have forked-off from Firefox and changed our GUID,
2.) Pale Moon v26+ now brings forth a new layout/rendering called Goanna (another major milestone of independent development)



Alright not as simple as I'm rereading it. Well maybe MC or some other dev, user can chime in and explain better. :)
Will there be a BetterPrivacy fork like ABL for adblockplus and Encrypted Web for HTTPS Everywhere?

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Moonchild » 2016-02-15, 12:30

Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Will there be a BetterPrivacy fork like ABL for adblockplus and Encrypted Web for HTTPS Everywhere?
That depends entirely on if the community is going to chip in by taking these forks under their wing or not.

As stated many times over: We have a very full plate -- and then some -- with core development. We can't possibly take on extension development as well just because the original extension developer isn't willing or able to support Pale Moon natively (in which case it will break when it relies on specific functionality that we as a fork change away from Firefox's).

So, if you love certain extensions, don't mind some experimentation and learning something new, then go right ahead and fork it yourself*. It's really not that difficult, but it does require that you read and learn instead of just consume.


* Do check if the license is Free and Open Source before you do. The vast majority has FOSS licenses, but not all.
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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Burning Sun » 2016-02-18, 13:13

Moonchild wrote:
Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Will there be a BetterPrivacy fork... ?
Do check if the license is Free and Open Source before you do.
From BetterPrivacy Version 1.69 Released November 26, 2015

content\LICENSE says in total:
"BetterPrivacy is freeware; Non-commercial use and distribution only!"

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Moonchild » 2016-02-18, 16:58

Burning Sun wrote:BetterPrivacy is freeware; Non-commercial use and distribution only!
That's a usage and redistribution statement of intent only, meaning it's not to be considered open source unless there is actually a license header attached to the source files making it such.
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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by mseliger » 2016-02-21, 14:15

Hello,

I use
ublock Origin (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... ock-origin) (in advanced user mode),
Selfdestructing Cookies (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... ng-cookies),
RightToClick (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... ghttoclick) (well not really privacy related - but comfortable, if a website won't copy you etc.),
EncryptedWeb
Greetings, Maria

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Cogito Ergo Sum » 2016-02-21, 17:39

Does Ghostery work with Pale Moon 26.1.0 (x64)?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... c2d8dddf86

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Tomaso » 2016-02-21, 17:57

Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Does Ghostery work with Pale Moon 26.1.0 (x64)?
Yes, v5.4.4.1 still works:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... 4.1-signed

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Go_To » 2016-02-21, 19:55

Weishaupt wrote:Browsing the web nowadays with a vanilla browser is pretty much a disaster when it comes to privacy.
I know canvas tracking is an issue, however, that is solved by PM brilliantly, without the need for any additional extension. Using a default user agent is a privacy risk as well, but since the latest version of Random Agent Spoofer doesn't work it PM, I'm willing to let it slide for the time being.
I've been using an old version of CanvasBlocker (0.1.3.1), which has a far less CPU load compared to the last time that I tried using Palemoon's built-in canvas blocking mechanism. The canvas testing website is still fooled by the CanvasBlocker, but I'm wondering if the old addon still holds up against websites that invested a lot into canvas tracking.

I'm also using:

uBlock Origin 1.6.1
Self-Destructing Cookies 0.4.9
NoScript
Ghostery
Encrypted Web

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Cogito Ergo Sum » 2016-02-21, 22:51

Go_To wrote:Palemoon's built-in canvas blocking mechanism. The canvas testing website is still fooled by the CanvasBlocker, but I'm wondering if the old addon still holds up against websites that invested a lot into canvas tracking.
What is canvas blocking and what is the canvas testing website?

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Burning Sun » 2016-02-21, 23:27

Cogito Ergo Sum wrote: What is canvas blocking and what is the canvas testing website?
It's yet another underhanded way of tracking, meant to track those who evade the usual means such as with cookies.

For a quickstart, try here and note your signature, also after reloading:
https://www.browserleaks.com/canvas#how-does-it-work

Then open about:config and set canvas.poisondata to true. That is a most excellent feature recently built in to Pale Moon. Your canvas signature will now change with every page load.

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Burning Sun » 2016-02-21, 23:51

Ha, I also just went to https://panopticlick.eff.org to verify my guess that because there presumably are different canvas fingerprint algorithms, their signature would be different than the one from browserleaks. So with NoScript, I allowed javascript for eff.org but nevertheless still got no canvas signature reported because the results said that I have javascript disabled. I see now that for some reason they send me off to https://firstpartysimulator.org/tracker to do the testing. So I have to allow that second site as well. (They also have scripts from three other testing sites. I hadn't been to panopticlick for a while so this development is new to me. You can no longer easily see the difference between results when JS is enabled/disabled.)

Anyway, the point about NoScript is moot because panopticlick reports a Hash of canvas fingerprint.

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Burning Sun » 2016-02-21, 23:57

Moonchild wrote:
Burning Sun wrote:BetterPrivacy is freeware; Non-commercial use and distribution only!
That's a usage and redistribution statement of intent only, meaning it's not to be considered open source unless there is actually a license header attached to the source files making it such.
Since there is no other mention of licensing in file headers or anywhere else, that would ironically mean that technically BetterPrivacy is under usual copyright - even though the author seems to have wanted to make it Stallman-style "free".

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Burning Sun » 2016-02-22, 00:14

Weishaupt wrote:...but since the latest version of Random Agent Spoofer doesn't work it PM
What about Secret Agent?
https://www.dephormation.org.uk/index.php?page=81

Though I have just now been trying it out and it seems that maybe it's slowing down the browser sporadically.

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Cogito Ergo Sum » 2016-02-22, 00:36

Burning Sun wrote:
Cogito Ergo Sum wrote: What is canvas blocking and what is the canvas testing website?
It's yet another underhanded way of tracking, meant to track those who evade the usual means such as with cookies.

For a quickstart, try here and note your signature, also after reloading:
https://www.browserleaks.com/canvas#how-does-it-work

Then open about:config and set canvas.poisondata to true. That is a most excellent feature recently built in to Pale Moon. Your canvas signature will now change with every page load.
Thanks
What's the performance impact? Will i even see it?

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Re: Let's discuss privacy enhancing extensions

Unread post by Burning Sun » 2016-02-22, 00:49

Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
Burning Sun wrote: set canvas.poisondata to true.
Thanks
What's the performance impact? Will i even see it?
I haven't noticed any difference since using it.

It'd also be great to one day have the screen size (another fingerprinting measure) not reported accurately via javascript, but instead send the browser window size. I remember years ago when the panopticlick site mentioned that browser fingerprinting wasn't much in use at that point. But just a few months ago, I noticed that even my local supermarket's site was using fingerprinting from some company that sells that service to anybody and everybody.

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