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Re: Well, I like it, mostly
Posted: 2013-12-04, 06:03
by access2godzilla
Night Wing wrote:ninaholic wrote:I always keep a Pale Moon exe on a USB stick so I don't even need to use IE to install it.
Hasta la vista baby! 
I always keep the newest Pale Moon installer on my......."5" USB flash drives......just in case I would lose or termporarily misplace a flash drive.
One can never be too careful.
Also, if you don't have local copies of Pale Moon, and don't want to use IE, then open the command prompt and type:
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bitsadmin /transfer palemoondownload /download /priority normal http://storage.sity.nl/palemoon/palemoon-<version>.win32-installer.exe c:\palemoon-<version>.win32-installer.exe
It seems that IE is not even useful for downloading other browsers
Re: Well, I like it, mostly
Posted: 2013-12-04, 07:15
by opera1215b1748
access2godzilla wrote:Also, if you don't have local copies of Pale Moon, and don't want to use IE, then open the command prompt and type:
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bitsadmin /transfer palemoondownload /download /priority normal http://storage.sity.nl/palemoon/palemoon-<version>.win32-installer.exe c:\palemoon-<version>.win32-installer.exe
And seeing the above - who can claim that PM users are "technically average"?!
Re: Well, I like it, mostly
Posted: 2013-12-04, 08:30
by Moonchild
opera1215b1748 wrote:And seeing the above - who can claim that PM users are "technically average"?!
Don't measure a user base by a few geeks
Seeing the below random quote from a very recent support request, can you say this person is "above technically average"? Because that is what I get too:
Where do I find a "help" page? I am NOT trying to deal with technical issues of the type discussed by programmers. I am trying to find answers to such basic questions as "How do I delete / clear my browsing history?" or "How do I mange / enable / disable add-ons?" Searching the web for such questions and answers does not seem to bring to a Pale Moon site.
Am I missing some basic understanding about Pale Moon?
So there's quite the range of different users, from people who just want a browser (most of them) to a small percentage with advanced knowledge of Windows tools and command-line options.
Re: Well, I like it, mostly
Posted: 2013-12-04, 14:28
by Night Wing
access2godzilla wrote:Also, if you don't have local copies of Pale Moon, and don't want to use IE, then open the command prompt and type:
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bitsadmin /transfer palemoondownload /download /priority normal http://storage.sity.nl/palemoon/palemoon-<version>.win32-installer.exe c:\palemoon-<version>.win32-installer.exe
It seems that IE is not even useful for downloading other browsers
I'm strictly a non technical user. I don't use the command prompt (line) because it makes me "uncomfortable" to use it which means if I screw up in the command line and input the wrong code for something, I don't have the technical knowledge to undo the damage I created. If I try using the command line (prompt) and screw things up, I have to go to my next door power user neighbor and get him to fix the damage I've done with CDL since he owns a computer shop and he uses the CDL a few times every week.
I don't mind going in "about:config" to change things in both Pale Moon and Firefox, but the command prompt (line) is a whole different animal for non technical users like myself. People like yourself are power users so you're comfortable using the command prompt (line).
This is why there are three types of computers users which I classify as Illiterate, Non Technical and Power Users and I'm a NT. I know my strengths and weaknesses.
opera1215b1748 wrote:Those who do use PM - are NOT "technical average" users.
You're looking at one. Of all the regular posters on this site who have a considerable amount of messages they've posted on the various forums over many different topics, I have the least amount of technical knowledge of anyone on here. If you check back and see I also run Linux Mint, I chose LM because it reminds me of Windows 7 and it basically works out of the box where I don't have to use the Terminal very much. The Terminal in LM also makes me uncomfortable. In fact, I've only used the Terminal in LM.........twice......and that covers a time span from December of 2012 till today which is one year.
Re: Well, I like it, mostly
Posted: 2013-12-04, 18:43
by ninaholic
@access2godzilla: When I typed in "bitsadmin" in the command prompt in XP, it said it wasn't a recognized command. According to
this, it is not automatically installed by default. Apparently it has been
deprecated and replaced by
cmdlets in Powershell in Windows 7. I see that I have a C:\SUPPORT\TOOLS directory with SETUP.EXE though, so I guess running that would install it.
Re: Well, I like it, mostly
Posted: 2013-12-05, 04:15
by access2godzilla
If you are indeed downloading bitsadmin for XP, you might want to use wget, which is much simpler to use. Download it
here, place it in C:\Windows and type on the command line:
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busybox wget http://storage.sity.nl/palemoon/palemoon-<version>.win32-installer.exe
Re: Well, I like it, mostly
Posted: 2013-12-05, 04:37
by dark_moon
Or if you have windows vista and above you can simple copy the exe path in your windows explorer which open the link your standard browser.
Just copy it in the path line.
Like this:
Re: Well, I like it, mostly
Posted: 2013-12-05, 05:19
by access2godzilla
But it opens up IE for the download, which ninaholic wants to avoid using. Hence comes the suggestion to use bitsadmin or wget.
Re: Well, I like it, mostly
Posted: 2013-12-05, 11:50
by Moonchild
If you're going to download anything to download the browser, might as well stick with the web installer
Download URLs are likely going to change over time.
Re: Well, I like it, mostly
Posted: 2013-12-05, 12:21
by access2godzilla
Moonchild wrote:If you're going to download anything to download the browser, might as well stick with the web installer
Download URLs are likely going to change over time.
Then, how does the web installer get to know from where it has to get the binaries?
Re: Well, I like it, mostly
Posted: 2013-12-05, 12:33
by Moonchild
access2godzilla wrote:Then, how does the web installer get to know from where it has to get the binaries?
It downloads a manifest file which contains version information, number of mirrors and mirror URLs.
