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Re: Well, I like it, mostly

Postby Night Wing » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:45 am

Moonchild wrote:
opera1215b1748 wrote:Yes, some obscure gimmicry should be done though add-ons, but not the BASIC functionality!

I disagree, since all (not just some) obscure gimmickery should be done through add-ons, and including all more advanced functionality that would be "too much information" for the average user.

The question here is "What is basic functionality?" - It is a balance between satisfying the majority of the users, providing enough extras for power users, but without adding so much "fluff" that it will slow down the browser or load it with functionality that hardly anyone will need or use.
I think the current feature set is a good balance.
You have to think in shades of grey, not black and white. It's not an "all or nothing" scenario. You can't put everything in, and you can't leave everything out.

To take the padlock example:
Only people who are focusing heavily on the innards of cryptography are interested in key length or algorithm. That is obscure gimmickery.
Everyone else wants to know they are having "a secure connection" and a basic level of security if applicable. That is basic functionality.


Your comments and the padlock example given perfectly explain what a non technical average user (like myself) wants in a browser and this is why when I'm using Windows, I use Pale Moon as my default browser and have relegated Firefox as my backup browser.
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Re: Well, I like it, mostly

Postby opera1215b1748 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:09 pm

Why not IE then?
It also has just a pad-lock (at least IEv8).
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Re: Well, I like it, mostly

Postby dark_moon » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:22 pm

Cause IE is slow&unsecure and didn't have the many addons.
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Re: Well, I like it, mostly

Postby Moonchild » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:12 pm

opera1215b1748 wrote:Why not IE then?
It also has just a pad-lock (at least IEv8).


I hope you're not trying to troll, now.
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Re: Well, I like it, mostly

Postby GaiaSmith » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:21 am

opera1215b1748 wrote:Why not IE then?
It also has just a pad-lock (at least IEv8).

Cuz everybody with at least half a brain knoz that IE(dot)sux...? ;)
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Re: Well, I like it, mostly

Postby ninaholic » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:32 am

IE is always the first thing I disable in "Add/Remove Windows Components" on a new laptop. I always keep a Pale Moon exe on a USB stick so I don't even need to use IE to install it. Hasta la vista baby! :D

Oddly, IE still works after the exes in the "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer" directory are removed though.
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Re: Well, I like it, mostly

Postby tribaljet » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:37 am

Now now, don't be mean. After all, IE has an excellent quality:
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Re: Well, I like it, mostly

Postby opera1215b1748 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:05 pm

Moonchild wrote:
opera1215b1748 wrote:Why not IE then?
It also has just a pad-lock (at least IEv8).

I hope you're not trying to troll, now.

Of course not!
If someone is after seeing "just a pad-lock" - then any browser will do.

Some posters here sound more trolling than one could say about my post. Unwashed masses will never use PM - they have no idea PM exists, they do not know what a browser is, not to mention there could be different flavors of browsers.
Those who do use PM - are NOT "technical average" users.

OK, to conclude (before the administrative measures are applied), I mostly like PM, you, MC, have promised to have a look at HTTPS-related info display, I'll wait.
PM is good browser - the only one with reasonable development plan.

(I may look cross, but this is not because of PM - it is because of the otherbrowser fate)
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Re: Well, I like it, mostly

Postby ninaholic » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:35 pm

opera1215b1748 wrote:Those who do use PM - are NOT "technical average" users.

For me, I was not liking the 5-10 second Javascript hangs I was getting in Firefox on my Atom netbook, and then once Firefox started to implement their "hidden background program to force you to upgrade" in Firefox 12, I decided it was time to look for something lighter and less intrusive. Pale Moon was the first option I heard about that was 32-bit, and I saw no reason to go back to Firefox after using it (I kept trying Firefox out again every few versions, and the performance/stability did not ever come close to matching Pale Moon again for me until version 24). IE was always a complete joke to me performance/compatibility/security/stability wise. I wouldn't say it was technical skills but more "regular user observations" and "dissatisfaction with everything else" that made me try out Pale Moon. When you browse the internet 6+ hours a day, you want something that you actually enjoy using (similar to getting a job that doesn't piss you off all day every single day). :)
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Re: Well, I like it, mostly

Postby Night Wing » Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:10 pm

ninaholic wrote:I always keep a Pale Moon exe on a USB stick so I don't even need to use IE to install it. Hasta la vista baby! :D


I always keep the newest Pale Moon installer on my......."5" USB flash drives......just in case I would lose or termporarily misplace a flash drive. :) One can never be too careful. ;)
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