Re: Well, I like it, mostly
Posted: 2013-11-30, 23:11
I like to download my PM plain and then customize it with a bunch of add-ons. I don't want it to come with a bunch of corporate features already decided.
Discussion forum for the Pale Moon web browser
https://forum.palemoon.org/
the thing that absolutely INFURIATES me is when the CORE is changed in such manner as to IRREPARABLY break a favorite extension. The one that I, and (based on my research even here in PM Forum, see:http://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1029) thousands of others relied upon was the dearly departed https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bookmark-favicon-changer/?src=ss which I first alluded to here: http://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3264. Since the update to V24x, I am STILL icon-less, only in a different place now...I'll start a new thread about that.Extensions are an integral part of the Firefox/Pale Moon design
All in all, it depends on how you want to use the browser. I'll make sure to keep tabs on either top or bottom configurable, because different people and different screen sizes are better served with different approaches.
...please, will you make it not so? As I mentioned above, I almost never use my screen maximized, as I need frequent access to my desktop. I don't know how or where to add said code--I only know how to toggle/change a preference in about:config; NOT how to put it in there in the first place. Somebody tell me how? It has to be EASY, as I don't grok 'tech guru'.New advanced feature: Later versions of the Firefox code will automatically place the browser window fully on a visible portion of the screen. If you prefer having the browser window positioned partially off-screen and want to prevent this automatic resizing and repositioning when starting a new session, create a new boolean preference in about:config called browser.sessionstore.exactPos and set it to true.
Type about:config into the address bar and hit enter.GaiaSmith wrote: If you prefer having the browser window positioned partially off-screen and want to prevent this automatic resizing and repositioning when starting a new session, create a new boolean preference in about:config called browser.sessionstore.exactPos and set it to true...please, will you make it not so? As I mentioned above, I almost never use my screen maximized, as I need frequent access to my desktop. I don't know how or where to add said code--I only know how to toggle/change a preference in about:config; NOT how to put it in there in the first place. Somebody tell me how? It has to be EASY, as I don't grok 'tech guru'.
Please? Anyone?
TIA,
Gaia
OMG!!!! It's THAT simple? I'm SO freakin' excited!!! I might be able to fix my icon thing myself, without having to teach myself CSS at age 60! HOT damn! Oh thank you, Rohugh, from the bottom of my heart!Type about:config into the address bar and hit enter.
Right click on a blank area. Choose New>Boolean.Type "browser.sessionstore.exactPos" exactly (without the quotes)
Click OK
Find it now in the list and double click it to set it to true.
I do understand this, honestly I do.Moonchild wrote: ... it's not a one-shot deal. The core of the browser HAS to evolve...of course mozilla's incessant tinkering with the browser UI code...which has broken many add-ons...
...and extension developers getting tired of having to rethink/recode their work every release...it's rather "the add-ons not keeping up".
Perhaps I misunderstood the "...want to prevent this automatic resizing and repositioning" advice you gave on the Release Notes page. Again, my bad. It might be more relevant to touch screens? I just want my browser to re-open like I left it, that's all. Like it's always been--this old fart doesn't adapt to change very well. It was hard enough to re-align my thinking from Mozi Suites to Fx... And damn it all, I still miss it.Second...nothing has changed in the defaults.
With such an attitude we will soon be getting a browser capable of displaying only Latin characters, all others will require a heap of add-ons...26F36DD wrote:I like to download my PM plain and then customize it with a bunch of add-ons. I don't want it to come with a bunch of corporate features already decided.
The only feature I was asking for is to show the full information about the current HTTPS connection. If this is "out of the scope of a browser" - why the pad-lock then?!access2godzilla wrote:...instead of persecuting MC on adding features to his browser that fall out of the scope of a browser...
Rest assured, you have caused no offense at all!GaiaSmith wrote: I fear I have done it again--inadvertently caused offense. I assure you, that was not, and never has been, my intention.
I disagree, since all (not just some) obscure gimmickery should be done through add-ons, and including all more advanced functionality that would be "too much information" for the average user.opera1215b1748 wrote:Yes, some obscure gimmicry should be done though add-ons, but not the BASIC functionality!
Your comments and the padlock example given perfectly explain what a non technical average user (like myself) wants in a browser and this is why when I'm using Windows, I use Pale Moon as my default browser and have relegated Firefox as my backup browser.Moonchild wrote:I disagree, since all (not just some) obscure gimmickery should be done through add-ons, and including all more advanced functionality that would be "too much information" for the average user.opera1215b1748 wrote:Yes, some obscure gimmicry should be done though add-ons, but not the BASIC functionality!
The question here is "What is basic functionality?" - It is a balance between satisfying the majority of the users, providing enough extras for power users, but without adding so much "fluff" that it will slow down the browser or load it with functionality that hardly anyone will need or use.
I think the current feature set is a good balance.
You have to think in shades of grey, not black and white. It's not an "all or nothing" scenario. You can't put everything in, and you can't leave everything out.
To take the padlock example:
Only people who are focusing heavily on the innards of cryptography are interested in key length or algorithm. That is obscure gimmickery.
Everyone else wants to know they are having "a secure connection" and a basic level of security if applicable. That is basic functionality.
I hope you're not trying to troll, now.opera1215b1748 wrote:Why not IE then?
It also has just a pad-lock (at least IEv8).
Cuz everybody with at least half a brain knoz that IE(dot)sux...?opera1215b1748 wrote:Why not IE then?
It also has just a pad-lock (at least IEv8).
Of course not!Moonchild wrote:I hope you're not trying to troll, now.opera1215b1748 wrote:Why not IE then?
It also has just a pad-lock (at least IEv8).
For me, I was not liking the 5-10 second Javascript hangs I was getting in Firefox on my Atom netbook, and then once Firefox started to implement their "hidden background program to force you to upgrade" in Firefox 12, I decided it was time to look for something lighter and less intrusive. Pale Moon was the first option I heard about that was 32-bit, and I saw no reason to go back to Firefox after using it (I kept trying Firefox out again every few versions, and the performance/stability did not ever come close to matching Pale Moon again for me until version 24). IE was always a complete joke to me performance/compatibility/security/stability wise. I wouldn't say it was technical skills but more "regular user observations" and "dissatisfaction with everything else" that made me try out Pale Moon. When you browse the internet 6+ hours a day, you want something that you actually enjoy using (similar to getting a job that doesn't piss you off all day every single day).opera1215b1748 wrote:Those who do use PM - are NOT "technical average" users.
I always keep the newest Pale Moon installer on my......."5" USB flash drives......just in case I would lose or termporarily misplace a flash drive. One can never be too careful.ninaholic wrote:I always keep a Pale Moon exe on a USB stick so I don't even need to use IE to install it. Hasta la vista baby!