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Pale Moon x64 vs Waterfox

Postby damjang » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:36 am

HI! I have Win7 x64 and use PaleMoon x32, but I'm interested on PaleMoon x64. I find that there is also another port of Firefox x64 that is called Waterfox. So here is my 3 questions:
- what is the difference of Palemoon x64 and Waterfox?
- how is the actual x64 plugins compatibility with x64 browsers? I know that there is 64 bit version of java and flash, but don't know if it was buggy and if work ok. And other plugins/addons? Are some ported to x64?
- I read that there is a wrapper for use of 32 bit plugins with x64 browser in linux. Is on windows something like this?

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Re: Pale Moon x64 vs Waterfox

Postby Moonchild » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:02 pm

  1. Waterfox is a straight-up 64-bit build of Mozilla Firefox with no further optimizations or changes. Pale Moon is based on Firefox, but with a number of significant changes. As such, when Mozilla starts building and publishing 64-bit versions of their browser, Waterfox will become redundant; Pale Moon will not.
  2. Plugins will have to be 64-bit native, so do extensions with binary components (although that number is very small). Most extensions will therefore work without an issue. I don't know which vendors have released 64-bit plugins yet, you'll have to check yourself. The list is still (extremely) short at the moment (Flash, java, Silverlight (beta))
  3. A 32-bit compatibility layer is not yet available for Windows plugins. It is one major issue that is holding back Mozilla from officially releasing 64-bit release versions of the browser. See also: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Desktop/64bit_Firefox_Windows_7
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Re: Pale Moon x64 vs Waterfox

Postby damjang » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:40 pm

Thank You for the explanation. So I think that have to wait some more to see if plugin/addons were translated to x64 or an 32-bit compatibility layer is done...
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Re: Pale Moon x64 vs Waterfox

Postby jaycelou » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:31 am

You can start using the x64 version of the browser now if you want. :P provided only if you have a x64 OS.

x64 version of famous plugin like Java, Adobe Flash, Silverlight are available (NOT BETA) just search around, you can try at Softpedia if you like.

I'm using the x64 browser since version 7, for my XP Pro x64 and Win 7 Ultimate x64 with x64 native plugin myself, but just that Silverlight x64 only for Win 7, you know, they abandoned XP :x

Extension, I have 40 installed and all works well, some famous one like AdblockPlus, BetterPrivacy, DownloadHelper, Ghostery, NoScript, SimilarWeb, WebMailNotifier... All work fine, for me. :thumbup:

Unless you are running application other than standard browsing, you are free to go for Pale Moon x64 now. ;)
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Re: Pale Moon x64 vs Waterfox

Postby schauw » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:29 am

Good to know.. but even if the benchmarks where exactly the same I would prefer Palemoon.
Maybe the Waterfox site looks more "hip" but Palemoon provides way more information and technical details available + own forum.
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Re: Pale Moon x64 vs Waterfox

Postby Moonchild » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:10 am

schauw wrote:Maybe the Waterfox site looks more "hip" but Palemoon provides way more information and technical details available

It seems the waterfox dev(s) also try to dazzle people less familiar with compiling Visual C programs:
Waterfox was compiled with SSE, SSE2, x64 favoring and the following optimisation flags: /Og /Oi /Ot /Oy /Ob2 /Gs /GF /Gy

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Re: Pale Moon x64 vs Waterfox

Postby damjang » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:47 am

jaycelou wrote:...
Unless you are running application other than standard browsing, you are free to go for Pale Moon x64 now. ;)


I have installed the x64 version and directly use the x32 Plemoon profile (have done nothing!). I have already installed java x64 and silverlight x64. Also flash x64 is ok (I don't know this...). Also use all plugins I have in x32. For now all work ok...

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Re: Pale Moon x64 vs Waterfox

Postby Ryrynz » Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:31 am

http://www.computerworlduk.com/slidesho ... -waterfox/

Not surprising, Palemoon isn't fully optimized for 64bit. I still find the 32bit version to be faster overall but we're talking small differences between Waterfox and Palemoon really.
I don't know when Mozilla is going to release a true 64bit build but when they do Waterfox will be pointless and Palemoon should be faster than the offical build.
Here's hoping they release a 64bit build sometime this year.
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Re: Pale Moon x64 vs Waterfox

Postby satrow » Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:47 pm

@ Ryrynz:

I didn't bite the first time that 'test' was linked so I reckon I will this time:- that syndicated 'browser test' is poorly done by someone who has a negligible understanding of modern Mozilla-based browsers and/or basic comparison techniques. Don't believe me - read it carefully.

Today's little test, all latest versions, all from new, individual profiles:
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5423/pm92.jpg <----- Pale moon 9.2 x64
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8822/wfx90.jpg <-----Waterfox 9.0
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8711/nightly13.jpg <- Nightly
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Re: Pale Moon x64 vs Waterfox

Postby Moonchild » Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:12 pm

Thanks Cym.

Nightly seems to score higher because of faster 2D rendering, which is no surprise considering the work done on the engine in it. Apples and oranges, though.
I guess the pale Moon 9.2 vs. Waterfox comparison speaks for itself.
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