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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by Moonchild » 2014-11-05, 12:22

deuiore wrote: I mean, it doesn't really look good, it's written in invalid HTML 4.01 and it doesn't seem like it's maintained at all: some of the images aren't even showing and their links don't work!
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Does it matter that the markup is not 100% W3C validator valid when it's a browser-specific page that renders correctly in the intended client to be used in? No. I don't have to be compatible with any other browser. :)
Does it matter that it's a slightly older (but no less functional) HTML standard? No. In fact, the entire website is HTML 4.01.
Is it maintained? Sure is. Does that mean it can't be static? No.
If it renders correctly in Pale Moon then that is all that really matters. Keep in mind: I kept the old layout and old standard to remain compatible with the legacy version of Pale Moon for a while, since it's the default home page for it. When I have time, I will undoubtedly modernize the start page.

Once more: if you don't like the default choices, and want to enter a custom URL instead, you can change it in about:config (and PMC in the future). It's not my intention to ever supply any non-palemoon new tab link from the browser core and create bias that way for any particular service or page. That would be playing favorites and not being vendor-neutral.

And yes, it does render correctly. There are no missing images and links do work (unless you are, of course, blocking them with extensions, firewall, any other content blocking method). All images are contained on the same web server the page is served from, so if one loads, they should all load.
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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by Supernova » 2014-11-05, 12:28

Adding the possibility for the user to set a custom page don't pose in any way a threat for vendor neutrality.

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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by deuiore » 2014-11-05, 12:50

First of all I'm sorry, the fact that some of the images weren't showing was indeed my adblocker's fault, though I've no idea how some of those images got in the blacklist. I'll check later. However the links should work even without the images, "Load images: Never" being a Pale Moon's built-in feature.
Moonchild wrote:Does it matter that the markup is not 100% W3C validator valid when it's a browser-specific page that renders correctly in the intended client to be used in? No. I don't have to be compatible with any other browser.
Does it matter that it's a slightly older (but no less functional) HTML standard? No. In fact, the entire website is HTML 4.01.
Well, for me it does. Again, it's a matter of opinion and the project is yours. But this is the "Suggestions/feature requests" forum after all. I thought I was at least permitted to express my opinions.
That said, at this point I don't know if you keep missing my point intentionally or not and just concentrate on my side-notes just to be contrary.
Once more: if you don't like the default choices, and want to enter a custom URL instead, you can change it in about:config (and PMC in the future). It's not my intention to ever supply any non-palemoon new tab link from the browser core and create bias that way for any particular service or page. That would be playing favorites and not being vendor-neutral.
Once more, this is the "Suggestions/feature requests" forum and I'm giving a suggestion that in no way implies what you're saying. Where did I even say to add arbitrary start pages to the drop-down list? I think it's in fact been the opposite all along: give the user the choice, not favoring anyone. Not even yourself.

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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by Lucio Chiappetti » 2014-11-05, 14:00

As I said elsewhere, I do not particularly care if what shown in a new tab is a white-background page, or another colour, or has watermarks. What I care and wish is that the URL in the navigation toolbar is actually blank, so I can type in or paste in what I want, without having to remove what is there.
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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by deuiore » 2014-11-05, 14:07

Lucio Chiappetti wrote:As I said elsewhere, I do not particularly care if what shown in a new tab is a white-background page, or another colour, or has watermarks. What I care and wish is that the URL in the navigation toolbar is actually blank, so I can type in or paste in what I want, without having to remove what is there.
Don't both "A blank page" and "The Quickdial page" already provide just that?

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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by Lucio Chiappetti » 2014-11-05, 15:14

I haven't checked PM 25, I am still on 24 ... and anyhow I was just suggesting NOT to change the behaviour of blank URL in the future
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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by deuiore » 2014-11-05, 15:32

Lucio Chiappetti wrote:I haven't checked PM 25, I am still on 24 ... and anyhow I was just suggesting NOT to change the behaviour of blank URL in the future
Oh sure, I'm all for that.

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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by Moonchild » 2014-11-05, 15:34

To wrap it up and get back on-topic, leaving tangential things like start page layout (and alt tags) aside: a custom URL choice in the GUI is a good suggestion and will be added to Pale Moon Commander.

I'll look into potentially adding it to the core later on, with the instructions to be careful with it.
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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by deuiore » 2014-11-05, 15:38

Moonchild wrote:To wrap it up and get back on-topic, leaving tangential things like start page layout (and alt tags) aside: a custom URL choice in the GUI is a good suggestion and will be added to Pale Moon Commander.

I'll look into potentially adding it to the core later on, with the instructions to be careful with it.
Oh that's awesome. I'm really happy to hear it. :D

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Unread post by Supernova » 2014-11-05, 21:26

Good :thumbup:

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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by Moonchild » 2014-11-06, 22:40

Pale Moon Commander 1.5.0 has been released which adds a convenient way to change the new tab URL to something custom (whether about:blank, about:home, http://www.disney.com or something else)

Surprisingly, AMO reviewed this add-on almost immediately, skipping almost 200 other add-ons in line :shock:
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Unread post by x-15a2 » 2014-11-07, 00:39

Fantastic, thanks!
Now... if it were available at https://addons.palemoon.org/extensions/other/ :lol:

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Unread post by Moonchild » 2014-11-07, 01:15

x-15a2 wrote:Fantastic, thanks!
Now... if it were available at https://addons.palemoon.org/extensions/other/ :lol:
Home page for the extension: http://www.palemoon.org/commander.shtml
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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by Supernova » 2014-11-07, 01:50

Well, that's not it's so hard to find, but it's kinda weird to not have at least a redirect for that very useful palemoon addon on the addons.palemoon site !

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Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2014-11-07, 02:41

Supernova wrote:Well, that's not it's so hard to find, but it's kinda weird to not have at least a redirect for that very useful palemoon addon on the addons.palemoon site !
I been busy and was suffering from a plague flu cold thing.

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Unread post by DAOWAce » 2014-12-24, 21:00

Had to search the forums to find out what the heck this was.

It was actually painful to open new tabs, as I have a dark theme for everything possible on my PC. Palemoon 25 changed and opened a blank white page with a very transparent palemoon logo, which after looking at dark pages for a length of time, actually caused me to reel back and squint in minor pain.

Thankfully, the fix was a simple about:config edit to change it back to about:blank. Now it's a black screen again and doesn't blind me.

Maybe I'll try that commander utility in future, but for now I'm relatively content. As an aside, does that tool let you control the program icon or do we need to build it ourselves for that?

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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by Moonchild » 2014-12-24, 21:18

The page with logo has a system color as a background, not white. if that is not the case then I guess your dark theme is incomplete and does not define a proper menu color.
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Re: When opening a new tab, show:

Unread post by DAOWAce » 2014-12-26, 06:42

I use an old version of FT DeepDark (3.2.3) because I didn't agree with a bunch of the design decisions of later versions.

Out of date, yes, but so is my firefox (v28). :)

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