Move the "disable JS" button where it fits better

Talk about code development, features, specific bugs, enhancements, patches, and similar things.
Forum rules
Please keep everything here strictly on-topic.
This board is meant for Pale Moon source code development related subjects only like code snippets, patches, specific bugs, git, the repositories, etc.

This is not for tech support! Please do not post tech support questions in the "Development" board!
Please make sure not to use this board for support questions. Please post issues with specific websites, extensions, etc. in the relevant boards for those topics.

Please keep things on-topic as this forum will be used for reference for Pale Moon development. Expect topics that aren't relevant as such to be moved or deleted.
User avatar
BlakeyRat
Moonbather
Moonbather
Posts: 52
Joined: 2014-02-13, 12:34
Location: Hell

Re: Move the "disable JS" button where it fits better

Unread post by BlakeyRat » 2014-02-13, 13:17

Moonchild wrote:You are entitled to your opinion, but please don't state it as fact.

If you need fine control over which JavaScript functions you want enabled that influence your interaction with web pages, then please download Pale Moon Commander (as already suggested in the other thread you started).
Thank you for your suggestion. I will look into Pale Moon Commander. I appreciate your help.

However, I don't understand your comment: "You are entitled to your opinion, but please don't state it as fact."

Some websites use Javascript to do annoying or deceptive things. That is a fact.

if I disable Javascript and it causes a website to not work properly, that is my problem, not yours. That is a fact.

Firefox used to have an option -- a checkbox in the Options --> Content dialog box where you could enable or disable Javascipt. That is a fact.

This feature existed for many years and goes all the way back to the original "Mozilla Suite" that existed before Firefox. That is a fact.

Removing that feature didn't save any space -- that dialog box is still the same size and now has lots of empty space in it. That is a fact.

opera1215b1748

Re: Move the "disable JS" button where it fits better

Unread post by opera1215b1748 » 2014-02-13, 13:23

BlakeyRat wrote:Javascipt should be enabled on all pages by default and then you disable it on those few pages that use Javascript to do annoying or deceptive things.
I - on the contrary - have it the other way: everything is disabled everywhere, I white-list sites I trust.
This is MUCH safer (I agree, it is less convinient).

User avatar
Moonchild
Pale Moon guru
Pale Moon guru
Posts: 35636
Joined: 2011-08-28, 17:27
Location: Motala, SE
Contact:

Re: Move the "disable JS" button where it fits better

Unread post by Moonchild » 2014-02-13, 14:06

BlakeyRat wrote:However, I don't understand your comment: "You are entitled to your opinion, but please don't state it as fact."
I was referring to your statement "That is simply not true" repeated again in your other reply, on things that are not as clear-cut.

e.g.
Many websites work just fine without Javascipt, and the parts that don't work are things that you probably don't care about anyway.
Assuming others don't care about something is presumptuous, not a fact.
You are also incorrect in assuming many websites work just fine without JavaScript. JavaScript is very much an integral part of modern web design, just like CSS is. So, maybe for the sites you visit, it may be true that they still somewhat function and you can still navigate them, but it most certainly is not something that you can simply apply to all websites out there.
Part of an intuitive interface is that you don't put controls in areas unless they specifically relate to those areas.
That is a fact. But you say "it's simply not true" - that's making it into an argument where there is none.

I'm just asking you to tone it down a little.
"Sometimes, the best way to get what you want is to be a good person." -- Louis Rossmann
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite

opera1215b1748

Re: Move the "disable JS" button where it fits better

Unread post by opera1215b1748 » 2014-02-14, 07:57

Moonchild wrote:...maybe for the sites you visit, it may be true that they still somewhat function and you can still navigate them, but it most certainly is not something that you can simply apply to all websites out there...
I've seen weirder sites than just demanding JS - they refused to work without Flash and/or JAVA - for no apparent need.

But 99% of sites I visit regularly - none require JS.

User avatar
Moonchild
Pale Moon guru
Pale Moon guru
Posts: 35636
Joined: 2011-08-28, 17:27
Location: Motala, SE
Contact:

Re: Move the "disable JS" button where it fits better

Unread post by Moonchild » 2014-02-14, 10:49

99% of the sites visited don't -require- you to load images either.
"Sometimes, the best way to get what you want is to be a good person." -- Louis Rossmann
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite

opera1215b1748

Re: Move the "disable JS" button where it fits better

Unread post by opera1215b1748 » 2014-02-14, 11:24

Yes, that's why in myotherbrowser I set default to "Show cached" which blocks graphics for the first visit (saving me a lot of traffic) and gives me a quick option to finally load pics if I decide so. The button to toggle through the "Load always/Show cached/Show none" is user-configurable and may be placed next to the address field.

Sorry for the off-topic!
:(

Locked